How the great firewall of China detects and blocks fully encrypted traffic [pdf]

Post by pessimizer » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:21 PM UTC

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I would disagree. The leading organization is much more aligned with the needs of the nation than the likes of Iran or Russia, which probably wouldn't mind bombing the shit out of their own city if it was necessary to stay in power. For example they actually bow to American pressure and try to avoid sanctions or other trade problems. As of today their navy could be completely destroyed with like 30% of the US Navy, s…

I didn't downvote you but if a government - offers no way of replacing itself democratically - extends own term indefinitely - blocks free exchange of information - censors specific speech that shows its failures or desire of people to replace it - suppresses internal protests with murders and disappearings of people (1989 Tiananmen, 2019+ Hong Kong, blank paper movement, ...) etc then it's super clear its primary go…

Post by gaoshan » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

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Many years back I was running a socks proxy for access while in China and I found that it worked great in Shanghai but was rapidly blocked (or degraded in some fashion) in Hangzhou. That seemed internal and not edge but I do no really know how they were interfering with it. Given Hangzhou's tech expertise it just may be the ISP there was more capable and up to date?

Was there an international event in Shanghai at that time? If they expected a large number of foreigners in a particular region they would relax the censorship in that particular region. They could even do it per hotel room where hotel rooms booked by foreigners automatically have lesser interference between GFW.

Post by pessimizer » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:28 PM UTC

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I wouldn't be so sure that it's a bad idea. Look how social media has damaged democracy around the world. US democracy is stuck in a bit of a death spiral - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/how-stop-m... . I hate repression, but they've been at it for thousands of years and I'm no longer super confident we have something better (see citizens united, roe v wade, affirmative action). China's life expec…

The US doesn't have a minority rule death spiral because of social media, it has a minority rule cycle because the constitution literally entrenches minority rule via mechanisms like senatorial malapportionment, supermajorities, the electoral college and judicial review of policy (see citizens united, roe v wade, affirmative action) rather than merely procedure. It has experienced this before, sometimes devolving int…

Post by pawelos » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

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In fact, the US Department of State recommends that all US citizens have a photocopy of their passport with them, when traveling abroad. Supposedly you get in shorter lines at the consulate if you have at least a photocopy of your passport available. You should be able to petition the consulate of your home country to issue you a new passport. I think it may be illegal, but I've heard from people who travel to places…

USA will issue “anyone” 2-3 valid passports at the same time. This is designed for two reasons: 1) you travel a lot and sometimes may need to mail your passport off to get a pre-travel visa from some consulate, while you are still outside the USA. This way you can send off one passport to get the visa for your next country, while keeping a valid passport with you while you’re abroad. 2) You need to travel between Isr…

Post by ineptech » Fri, Jun 30, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

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Exactly. This is the period when Muslim ethnic groups like the Uigurs were being rounded up on any pretense to be reeducated into not wanting to be separatists anymore (often with no indication that they had anything to do with separatism other than their ethnicity.) Seeing the VPN pop up was more than enough of an excuse. Calling it a "genocide" is 99% propaganda, but it was obviously a sinofication meant to get rid…

Why do you say it's 99% propaganda? "sinofication" sounds a lot like "eliminating the existing culture" which sounds a lot like genocide. Genocide is more than just murdering everyone like in some of the most well known cases like the Holocaust -- it includes elimination of an ethnic group by any means possible, including "nativification"