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Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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The First Amendment doesn't mention anything about secrets, that's not what this is about. If I sell you a stolen item, and you know it is stolen , you're guilty of a crime. If you later try to sell or move those goods, that's a more severe crime, fencing. In this case the reporter is obtaining "stolen" information and passing it along, it's exactly the "fencing" of information. I'm aware this practice has been going…

Normal citizens have no obligation to keep the secrets of any government organisation. It is the person who holds security clearance that leaks the document that commits a crime, whereas journalists have a constitutionally protected right to publish. It's not sleazy, and is part of a healthy system that holds governments to account.

"holding governments to account" is rarely a function of classified information, it's typically revelation of some corruption that was found via some kind of investigative work -- and almost always via public documents, hence the importance of the FOIA.

When leaked classified documents show something highly troubling, like the Snowden leaks or Wikileaks, the government doubles down and does everything it can to punish those leakers to the maximum extent, which is not what a "healthy system" would do to a whistleblower exposing illegal or corrupt activity.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Sometimes, on a planet with 8 billion people, more than one newsworthy event happen concurrently without coordination or conspiracy.

While true, it is also true the person that controls if information can be released or not from military channels, aka the commander in chief, is also the one that has several high profile news stories cooking

The US military isn’t the only military. US news isn’t the only news.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Would be easier if they had shared Slack channels

What is communication like between different branches of the US military nowadays? I remember reading a series of newspapers articles about the Somalia battle that was later the subject of the "Black Hawk Down" movie. I haven't seen the movie so don't know if it covered the communication issue I'm about to mention. The army had a convoy on the ground trying to reach the crashed Black Hawk helicopter. The navy had a s…

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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?

Yes. Mythbusters did an episode showing what happens to a human body under deep sea implosion > https://youtu.be/LEY3fN4N3D8 It's ugly.

It's ugly, it's only at 300ft, and it's an equivalent of a leaking valve, so they're not going from inside atmosphere to outside pressure in an instant.

At their depth, where presumably the carbon fibre let go, it's probably a lot faster too. At least they won't be able to even register what's going on.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Would be easier if they had shared Slack channels

What is communication like between different branches of the US military nowadays? I remember reading a series of newspapers articles about the Somalia battle that was later the subject of the "Black Hawk Down" movie. I haven't seen the movie so don't know if it covered the communication issue I'm about to mention. The army had a convoy on the ground trying to reach the crashed Black Hawk helicopter. The navy had a s…

Saw the movie, but don’t remember that being part of the plot.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Because dealing with it internally and informing the public are two entirely different things. They may well have told the families some things, but not the public. Afterall this is a privately funded venture and the rescue effort isn't going to be paid for by the public either. They owe us nothing.

> They owe us nothing. Are you referring to the actual "government" ? because in that case, it definitely seems like they owe their own citizens something?

They do, but what they owe differs by what part of the government one is dealing with. You’ll find that, with regards to the military, one thing they do not owe to citizens is real-time, unfettered access to intelligence.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.

It is almost like they needed the news to be distracted for some reason.... hmmm

What's the other story?

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Because they wanted to at least give a few days to find conclusive proof (wreckage) so they could inform the family's before all of us?

"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..." This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?

"Hey we heard a loud boom that may or may not mean your family is dead, and we have no other source of confirmation at this point but just stew on that for a few days while we try to confirm."

Do you have NO empathy? Why would they tell the family they think everyone is dead without verifiable proof and within the window in which they could still be alive? (4 days of oxygen). What is the benefit beyond a bunch of virtual gawkers getting slightly more information slightly quicker?

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Theres an avid discussion on the other thread about this, but the short answer is likely yes. They were probably crushed, incinerated and then bludgeoned to death in less than 3ms, and probably unconscious before they were aware of any of the rest of it.

Incinerated? Where did the fire come from?

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