Ahhh, they misunderstood something vitally important. This guy's speciality is Applied Dishonesty , so he's not the abstract sort with just theory and no practise. ;)
Pretty sure Francesca Gino identifies as a she! But then, who knows?
Harvard dishonesty expert accused of dishonesty
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#172Andrew Gelman has written about this case, drawing parallels with past cases and asking about the psychology of the fraudsters.
https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2023/06/21/ted-talkin...
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#173A very very long time ago I did some programming to help a friend of a friend analyze a data set. The data set was from public schools and it was being used to inform some policies at the state level. All I can say is, the data submitted from many schools had very disturbing patterns of regularity (as in identical records on many unexpected metrics that you would not expect) ... like 10 or 15 records in a row, in the…
This perfectly matches my experience in similar cases. Just not in academia but in business.
Policy always represents somebody's interests. "Data driven" is an excellent cover when you control the data. You get to eat the cake and look good while doing it.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Being surprised that an expert in dishonesty is dishonest is like being surprised that a lot of pyromaniacs become firemen or that a lot of pedos become teachers and priests - it's something they spend a lot of time doing and thinking about, it makes sense that they'd want to do it for a job if they can. No, I don't think spotting this pattern makes me smarter than everyone else.
do experts in criminals commit crimes? Are experts in autism autistic? Are experts in military history bellicose?
"are" betrays a very black and white view of the world. I think they're all overrepresented, yes.
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#175The FT article says: 'A group of academics who compile the Data Colada blog about the evidence behind behavioural science has started publishing a series of posts in which they say they will detail “evidence of fraud in four academic papers” co-authored by Gino'. The first two of these blog posts are: https://datacolada.org/109 https://datacolada.org/110
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
HN members are generally presumed to be familiar with standard tools for subverting paywalls (see also HN Guidelines). Or simply reading the comments thread to find such a workaround. In this case the paywall link is now at the top of the comments thread, though it was posted a few minutes after your own comment. Commenting that you didn't read the article, then making a series of shallow and incorrect assumptions ab…
Part of the guidelines is also to assume best intent: my point was not about paywall (which was admittedly a bad and superfluous excuse, yet I care not to expend time on it further). My intent was to highlight an inconsistency in naming a skill with a negative connotation (dishonesty). How can I more explicitly direct the conversation to why is this skill a "dishonesty expertise" (or rather, an "expert on (ethics and…
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...>
Four replies deep into this thread, are we discussing topics of intellectual curiosity ... or ... something else?
That itself is a strong indicator of the issue here.
I strongly recommend pg's discussion of comments, particularly about their relationship to kudzu:
http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html>
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#177The FT article says: 'A group of academics who compile the Data Colada blog about the evidence behind behavioural science has started publishing a series of posts in which they say they will detail “evidence of fraud in four academic papers” co-authored by Gino'. The first two of these blog posts are: https://datacolada.org/109 https://datacolada.org/110
From the second link: > students approached this “Year in School” question in a number of different ways. For example, a junior might have written “junior”, or “2016” or “class of 2016” or “3” (to signify that they are in their third year). All of these responses are reasonable. > A less reasonable response is “Harvard” [...] Nevertheless, the data file indicates that 20 students did so. Moreover, and adding to the p…
Not just most. All but one strongly supported hypothesis
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#178Individual researchers have huge incentives for fraud, but large universities are the ones who most need to look inward here. HBS could become a beacon for stronger research practices in this area - requiring study preregistration and data collection methods that carefully trace provenance and changes. If HBS has fewer but better quirky marketing psychology studies, their reputation will do well. However for an indiv…
For similar reasons, I left academia. I joined academia for the pursuit of truth, and forth the glory of Knowing. But it turned out that academia doesn’t really do this anymore, it just sells itself as doing these things. Academia is entirely a “reputation” system, as it turns out, from paper publishing to student-evaluations to “public rankings.” As it turns out, the capitalist marketplace must also contend with the…
The society makes individuals with high intellectual potential to attach their ambitions to the itself and this process begins usually
even before the individuals can see the flaws and untrustworthiness of the society. Those who eventually break their ties to the system are outcast by everyone else.
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#179There is this pattern where things are always the opposite of their message: - Dishonesty expert is dishonest - Politicians who constantly talk about freedom want to restrict anything that doesn't fit their world view - Militant anti-gay preachers hire call boys - Diversity teams are the least diverse
We like these fall-from-grace stories but there's a subpattern to this that can't be articulated so easily. Literal "corruption" comes close. See also: every freedom fighter that launches a coup to overthrow a dictator, then becomes a dictator themselves within a decade. Or cops that get caught stealing child porn from the evidence locker, despite not being pedophiles by any definition. Not all these types start this…
> Or cops that get caught stealing child porn from the evidence locker, despite not being pedophiles by any definition.
Has this happened? He thought it was normal porn?
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
It all suggests that, in addition to falsifying data, they had become so blase about falsifying data that they weren't particularly careful about it. Which suggests that they may have been falsifying data for a long time...
Alternatively, they had such little practice that they weren't good at it.
Perhaps, but I think a first-timer would be able to avoid those mistakes, especially if they were thinking, "oh boy, this is a really bad and risky thing I am doing here, I better double and triple check". On the other hand, if it's a normal (for you) thing you're doing, which you have to do on most of your papers, then on some days you're going to rush it.