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Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by test098 »

238947687066782 wrote: post #105

I wish there was a single source of truth website that was like a status page for this whole issue. A dashboard of the stats and what is being done about it. From the outside it seems blatantly obvious that it's simply a lack of policing. I really don't get the animosity of the left-wingers about police, and the way everyone has to pussy-foot around these issues. No one is having issues with police if they aren't bre…

> No one is having issues with police if they aren't breaking the law

yes, they are. that's why there's "animosity of the left-wingers about police."

> 1. You are not allowed to setup a tent on the street. You must stay in housing provided by the government outside of the city in a cheap area. You will be given free transporation there.

and what about the residents that already live in that "cheap area"? who pays for the construction of the housing - the people within the city limits or the people living in the cheaper area?

> 2. If you are a repeat offender found to be sleeping on the street, then you will be arrested, and imprisoned.

what if it's a family who lost their home? do you separate the children from their parents for the crime of being too poor?

> 3. A mental health disorder is not an excuse. If necessary, build a jail that is a mental health treatment center.

great - how long are you imprisoned if you have a mental health crisis?

> What is the worst thing that happens from this policy implemented fully?

abuse by law enforcement; imprisoning people who need mental health services, not to be locked up with actual criminals; the separation of families who have fallen on hard times; criminalization of poverty; short-sighted solutions which don't actually address the core issues.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by prottog »

throwaway202351 wrote: post #122
jansan wrote: post #88

My personal (European) view of what places are of the USA are considered "cool" has completely changed in the last 10 years or so. Before this year I had only been once to the USA, which was as a teenager in Detroit's suburbs many years ago. This year I decided to travel the USA with my wife and kids, but places like San Francisco and New York, which I would have sacrificed a leg to visit not too many years ago, were…

Oh yes, Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia are great as long as you don't need to get an abortion, aren't religious, gay, or non-white.

I live in one of those states and am visibly nonwhite and haven't stepped inside a church in a long while. Life is great here.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by prottog »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #141
kneebonian wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious have you been to many of these areas or are you just repeating the things you've read on reddit?

I lived in Vicksburg MS for four years. Mississippi is as bad as everyone says it is, at least. No idea about the other states.

I'd wager that most rural places about the size of Vicksburg (~20k population) are "bad" in that same way. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but none come to the top of my head.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by prottog »

scarmig wrote: post #74
rossdavidh wrote: post #46

I am interested to hear from any HN readers who live in SF, as to whether or not this sounds factually accurate.

Factually, there aren't any glaring errors. The way it frames things is weird, though. Not to say SoMa and downtown aren't shitholes that will make you feel unsafe multiple times per day; they are. But most other neighborhoods have a much safer vibe, and many of them are literally a 10 minute bus ride to downtown. His pooh-poohing the idea of moving to a different neighborhood is just weird. (If he were complaining a…

> many of them are literally a 10 minute bus ride to downtown

Is that 10-minute bus ride a pleasant experience on a daily basis? If you live in a quiet part of the city but must commute back and forth to downtown during which you run a non-negligible risk of a particular unpleasant encounter, then you don't gain a whole lot by being in that quiet part.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

prottog wrote: post #173
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived in Vicksburg MS for four years. Mississippi is as bad as everyone says it is, at least. No idea about the other states.

I'd wager that most rural places about the size of Vicksburg (~20k population) are "bad" in that same way. I'm sure there are a few exceptions, but none come to the top of my head.

I really wouldn't call Vicksburg rural, it is actually small town urban serving a county with around 50k people (outside of Vicksburg like in Bovina is rural, however). Also, Vicksburg is fairly close to Jackson (40 minute drive?), but we all know things are much better over there.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

ghaff wrote: post #123
pengaru wrote: post #97

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> the best food & weather in the country Imagine believing SF proper has the best weather in the country Your year-round weather isn't even as good as neighboring counties. - someone who lived on the SF peninsula for years, and often regretted trading idyllic weather for a cold, damp dinner night in SF.

You're trading off some pretty hot days for some cold, damp days. I'd probably choose SF in general for the weather and certainly on the scale of the country as a whole, SF is pretty good.

I like SF weather overall, but the Bay Area as a whole generally has fantastic weather. Despite being an SF resident, personally I'd say the peninsula (south of SF) and the most of the East Bay have better weather than SF.

The South Bay and the far East Bay can get a little too hot for my taste, but plenty of people prefer that to year round fog/wind in much of SF.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by jansan »

whimsicalism wrote: post #162
jansan wrote: post #88

My personal (European) view of what places are of the USA are considered "cool" has completely changed in the last 10 years or so. Before this year I had only been once to the USA, which was as a teenager in Detroit's suburbs many years ago. This year I decided to travel the USA with my wife and kids, but places like San Francisco and New York, which I would have sacrificed a leg to visit not too many years ago, were…

It sounds like you are aging & also perhaps leaning a bit too heavily on the media in deciding where to go. That said, many areas of the South are among the most underrated parts of the country so I agree with you there.

The age factor certainly played a role, but I do not think the media influenced in my decision a lot. Judging from European mainstream media the southern red states are full of retards, which I cannot confirm from our visit. Quite the opposite, Huntsville seems to be packed with bright engineers, Savannah is full of "weird" (in a very positive way) people, and Nashville is not just the capital of corny country music, but a concentration of musical talent that you will not find anywhere else in the world. I think the main influence was anecdotes from friends. One friend said that New York has lost a lot of its appeal while still being outrageously expensive, another claimed that you cannot stay in lower priced hotels in California anymore unless you are fine with seeing drug addicts in the lobby and bulled proof glass in front of the reception desk. Not sure if all this is true, but I did not feel like finding out.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by test098 »

orangepurple wrote: post #153
whimsicalism wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. his aversion to moving to other neighborhoods is ridiculous, he is practically living in the tenderloin

I agree; He needs to just accept that he will be assaulted in some neighborhoods and avoid those. /s

have you ever lived in a major city that didn't have dangerous neighborhoods? at any time in the history of the united states? i'm a minority who has been harassed and assaulted in certain parts of the united states (hint: in rural areas). what's your advice for me and what prescriptions do you have to quell rural violence?

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by yuliyp »

ajross wrote: post #78
yuliyp wrote: post #75

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Hook up a heart rate monitor to someone walking down the street on University Ave. in Palo Alto, then hook it up walking down Market Street. Those feelings are real.

But they're not about safety! And the author (and presumably you too?) admit as much. Again, aren't we supposed to be better than arguing about policy issues via reference to our personal emotions? Isn't that what the woke hippies on the school board are doing?

That's a pretty big stretch to claim that everything related to emotion is equally suspect. Safety is something which naturally has a very strong perception element to it. A lack of a feeling of safety causes people to change their behavior in ways which tend to destroy a community (by moving away, avoiding public spaces, not shopping in certain areas, etc). Those harms to the community are tangible. Dismissing them because they don't show up in violent crime statistics is choosing to ignore reality.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by ghaff »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #176
ghaff wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're trading off some pretty hot days for some cold, damp days. I'd probably choose SF in general for the weather and certainly on the scale of the country as a whole, SF is pretty good.

I like SF weather overall, but the Bay Area as a whole generally has fantastic weather. Despite being an SF resident, personally I'd say the peninsula (south of SF) and the most of the East Bay have better weather than SF. The South Bay and the far East Bay can get a little too hot for my taste, but plenty of people prefer that to year round fog/wind in much of SF.

I've definitely been in SF when "the coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco" applied. That said, I'm generally not a fan of heat.
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