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Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by rkho »

dheera wrote: post #143
indymike wrote: post #115

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I'm not sure that is the case... I've used Shutterstock and Adobe Stock in the past two weeks and both times, it took about 3-4 minutes to find something I liked, and 10 sec (subscription) to 1 minute (non subscription) go through the license/payment cycle. > All of the services are subscriptions now and they have dark UX patterns They do. I have a subscription to one of the services, and it's just super easy and I u…

> 1 minute (non subscription) go through the license/payment cycle No, it takes me several minutes to get my lazy ass off my chair, go find my wallet which is inside some pants inside the laundry basket, pull it out, find my credit card, enter the number in, enter the billing address, enter the zip code only to find that Google autofill has now decided to edit my address, then go edit the address, only to find that G…

Also (d) please do not take this purchase as consent to enroll me in a perpetual drip marketing campaign

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Post by jachee »

kortilla wrote: post #166
harry8 wrote: post #12

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The photographers who took those stock photos also trained on stock photos.

This is incorrect. I was a photographer and trained very little looking at other pictures. There are a few guidelines about framing I got from both written rules and a few examples, but those examples were never of things I took pictures of. I took pictures of a much wider variety of things than I looked at pictures of. Instagram and other sources of millions of pictures did not exist and I was perfectly capable of t…

It may not have been conscious, proactive “training”, but before you ever picked up your camera you’d been exposed (pardon the pun) to thousands (at least) of photos others had taken. That unconscious exposure still counts, even if you don’t think of it as training.

Re: Is AI killing the stock photo industry? A data perspective

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Post by matwood »

ravenstine wrote: post #155
mmcconnell1618 wrote: post #108

If you haven't tried to purchase a stock photo recently, it is incredibly difficult. I can order same day delivery of physical goods from Amazon much faster than trying to buy a single stock photo. All of the services are subscriptions now and they have dark UX patterns to convince you the only way to get the images is to sign up for an annual plan that will auto-renew. In comparison, typing a prompt into a generativ…

Photography is a valuable skill, but stock photography and footage have been too overvalued for a long time. I'm not surprised that they're having a rude awakening in the face of things like Stable Diffusion. For most purposes, stock photos and illustrations don't have to be perfect, but just good enough . Or good enough for an amateur to make finishing corrections to. That said, it also seems like the industry needs…

AI may be replacing the photographer, but stock photography was/is its own specialized skill.

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Post by mywittyname »

pelagic_sky wrote: post #160
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #101

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> Mandatory "AI generated" mark may help a bit This will never happen, promise you that a major CGI sequence will ship completely AI generated in a Marvel movie within 3 years. This tech will be so integrated into workflows of Disney and the like that the idea of an "AI Generated" watermark will be as ridiculous to them as a "3D Rendered" watermark and if any legislation comes about they'll be against it.

I could potentially see movies needing to credit AI in the end credits. Not sure how that would work out. Maybe list all the scenes and what AI was used? But none-the-less, not an easy clear cut solution.

I would expect studios to own and develop the AI systems they use.

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Post by mywittyname »

zirgs wrote: post #37
two_in_one wrote: post #24

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yes, and we can expect a flood of those 'lesser budget' works. One domain where I welcome AI is computer games. Having more natural flexible characters will make games more interesting. As opposite to current pre-written texts. Also education, where kids can ask questions and give the answers. Not just read or listen passively.

Just need to figure out how to do AI inference without tanking rendering performance. Offloading AI stuff to a cloud would make single player games unplayable offline and their servers won't stay online forever. Another solution would be to use a second GPU just for AI stuff. But that would make most current gaming devices useless.

We've already crossed the Rubicon of single player games that require internet connectivity and are unplayable if some server disappears.

GPUs will probably get a PhysX-like API for these kind of AI calculations in the future.

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Post by hedora »

bheadmaster wrote: post #157
barbariangrunge wrote: post #152

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These stacks of gpus are not people. Repeat with me. These stacks of gpus are not people.

Strawman argument - nobody is claiming that stacks of GPUs are people.

Well, corporations are people, so I’m sure sufficiently large stacks of GPUs are also legally (parts of) people too.

Though I’m not sure what place the US Supreme Court’s opinions have in rational discourse at this point.

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Post by dragonwriter »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #161
dragonwriter wrote: post #111

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> The trajectory of ML appears to point towards massive transfer of wealth to capital owners and impoverishment of the working classes. That’s the natural end of capitalism , as has been noted literally since the word “capitalism” waa coined for it (largely, for that reason.) It is end to which every tool and technology is put under that system, and has nothing to do with the particular technology and everything to d…

The capitalist system doesn't preclude workers from acquiring capital or capitalist from working. It also doesn't dictate the relative return on capital investment versus worker labor. The rate of return on capital is what dictates the concentration of wealth, or conversely, the dispersal of wealth. The conceptual systems introduced by Marx and others is that only workers can own capital and are based on a set of ass…

> The capitalist system doesn't preclude workers from acquiring capital or capitalist from working.

In the same sense that the US electoral system doesn’t preclude more than two viable parties. The system of property rights that defines capitalism doesn’t specify any limit, but the structure it creates promotes it in function.

> The conceptual systems introduced by Marx and others is that only workers can own capital

No, the conceptual system introduced by Marx rejects the concept of ownership as applied to capital [0], though it favors workers exercising control of the capital to which their labor is applied. Different variants derived from this and related ideas have different specific mechanism for this exercise of control.

[0] When Marxists talk about rejecting/abolishing “private property”, it refers to this, because in the Marxists terminology “private property” refers not to property of non-state individuals and entities in general as it does in current common use, but specifically to property rights in the means of production, i.e., capital.

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Post by cwkoss »

two_in_one wrote: post #15

Like it or not, it's here like CGI in movies bestsellers. I don't envy artists, most of them will have to rethink their plans and switch to graphics or web designers, or something similar. Not sure who will be next. Probably GPT will take over virtual bookshelves on Amazon. Mandatory "AI generated" mark may help a bit. I will not waste my time reading it. I think we should expect a flood of "masterpieces" in differen…

In 5 years, the idea of AI being "cheating" will seem as silly as someone touching up an image a photoshop being "cheating" does to us today.

But I'm sure some people with expert darkroom skills had similar thoughts when photoshop was rising to prominence.

Consumers don't care what tools were used to make what they produce. "AI generated" mark is something only the people being made obsolete will want, and their power is rapidly declining.

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Post by famouswaffles »

jiggawatts wrote: post #3
ksaj wrote: post #2

I had to put together a presentation that was somewhat graphic-heavy. I used Dall-e 2, and the ability to get things so tailored to what I needed, so quickly, was absolutely worth it. I don't know if AI will replace stock photography, but I wouldn't bet against it. The ability to charge a high price for stock photography is over though.

I wish MidJourney had some decent competition. Dall-E hasn’t improved since it was released, and the other good models like Google’s Imagen weren’t made public…

The new Bing runs on a better version of dall-e and is much better
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