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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by smoldesu »

pier25 wrote: post #165
smoldesu wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can an iPad run Live?

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

I believe it. They could also update Live to support the Tesla Model X, since it has an x86 Linux computer inside too.

It's a lot of work though. And the pay sucks, especially on iPad/iOS where Apple refuses to let you make a profit without letting them take a bite. On MacOS it's a sustainable practice, but unless Apple changes something architecturally I wouldn't anticipate Live coming to iOS anytime soon. At least any sooner than Linux support, which is apparently(?) finished internally.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by MattRix »

Zobat wrote: post #63

So they built a Linnstrument? Honestly don't know who was first, but I know I looked at the Linnstrument a long time ago (when my daughter Linn was really young, she's 13 now). The Linnstrument looks better and has more buttons, and more is better, right? https://www.rogerlinndesign.com/linnstrument

The first Push was released in 2013, the Linnstrument in 2014.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by crucialfelix »

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #24

I understand why it's expensive, but as a hobbyist who'd want this for some fun at home, I do wish there were a cheaper standalone device without some of the fancy things like MPE and a battery.

Well the Push 2 has been around €400 used, and it's still good. Probably dropping in price now too.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by tibbon »

r9295 wrote: post #134
tibbon wrote: post #131

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Is there a GitHub repo or similar effort where people have been working on this?

Here's a repo with all "built-in" scripts for MIDI controllers decompiled. https://github.com/gluon/AbletonLive10.1_MIDIRemoteScripts/ Have a look at pushbase and Push2 to look at Push source code. A starter kit I use when bootstrapping projects: https://github.com/R9295/ableton-live-control-surface-starte... To the best of my knowledge, this is as far as it goes. The blogs and articles I found are mostly out of date…

Thank you!

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

>For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours

This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it.

The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a Live controller and as a standalone performance sequencer/drum machine/instrument.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

pier25 wrote: post #165
smoldesu wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can an iPad run Live?

Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push. After all, they are probably running some Linux distro in the Push 3 so they had to invest in that anyway.

>Ableton could have made an app to run the Live engine controlled by the Push.

And it wouldn't have pads, dedicated dials, MIDI, inputs and outputs, MPE, and everything else. It would be just a big screen with a iPad-like touch UI. So nothing like this.

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Post by mtalantikite »

moojd wrote: post #128
jtode wrote: post #36

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Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

Nords are for gigging artists that want every feature accessable via physical controls on the device with minimal setup. If you are willing to bring your laptop on stage there are probably better cheaper options. That being said used Electro's can be affordable and they are really fun devices to own. There is also a nice small community of people hacking on them. My current hobby project is reverse engineering the el…

I had considered going the route of a nice midi controller and software, but ultimately when I wake up in the morning and sit down to practice I don't want to be on the computer with the seemingly infinite potential for distraction. I bought a Nord Grand a couple years ago and I'm really glad that I did. The action feels great and the sounds are good enough (although I really would love a new grand piano sample). My teacher even has commented that he's surprised by the dynamics in my touch on his grand at his studio, which in his experience often can get lost when practicing on a digital keyboard.

Anyway, I'd recommend it for anyone that's at that point of taking their practice seriously, but might not have the space/neighbors for an acoustic piano.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

nr2x wrote: post #166
smoldesu wrote: post #159

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Can an iPad run Live?

As of today it can run Logic Pro. The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

>The feature parity is there, most people consider using one or the other a matter of personal preference.

For musicians (professional or semi-pro) that use Logic on a laptop the feature parity is nowhere there. They depend on tens of AUs ("VSTs") that aren't available on the iPad for example, on top of lots of other stuff.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

vemv wrote: post #21

I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

>macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio

Like?

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

klodolph wrote: post #162
moojd wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nords are for gigging artists that want every feature accessable via physical controls on the device with minimal setup. If you are willing to bring your laptop on stage there are probably better cheaper options. That being said used Electro's can be affordable and they are really fun devices to own. There is also a nice small community of people hacking on them. My current hobby project is reverse engineering the el…

The problem is that pure MIDI controllers are often not very good. When you pay $2,000 for a synthesizer, it can have a very good keyboard.

If you pay $1000+ for a MIDI controller it can have a very good keyboard as well.
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