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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by asynchronous »

bioemerl wrote: post #156
dboreham wrote: post #97

Installed the app last night. It would be interesting to see their DAU graph for the state! Something worthwhile noting here is that the usual "politicians don't understand the technology" sentiment doesn't apply here because our governor at least knows how to code Perl, and ran a software company.

Why would you install that app on your personal phone? Even in some misplaced sense of rebellion, you're basically inviting spyware into your life.

Gonna back this up, from the security research I’ve read the app *uploads* over 2gb of data once installed over the course of one month, without any interaction at all from the user.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by lykahb »

I hope that this shifts the Overton window toward discussion about banning facebook, twitter and instagram. They play a major role in exacerbating the divisions in the society and the rising suicide rate. Those domestic platforms do a better job at undermining the national security than any foreign force could dream of.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by dkarl »

throwuwu wrote: post #130
woooooo wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

Trading with your adversaries is a good way to not start a war.

It can cut both ways, though. If your primary source for a crucial resource is a country that could potentially benefit from harming you, that can be strategically intolerable and eventually lead to finding an excuse to start a war.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by mlyle »

JohnFen wrote: post #157
mlyle wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also the third issue, which is much more problematic to fix with regulation: short-form video is absolutely killing youth attention span. I know students who will ask another student a question, and then lose focus and zone out within literally 3 seconds and not hear the answer. This was not nearly as prevalent a decade ago.

But this ban clearly has nothing to do with that, because it's only about Tiktok and ignores all other short form video.

Yes. It also has little to do with the other point the parent of my comment mentioned (privacy), as they said.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by stale2002 »

logicchains wrote: post #109
edgyquant wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries. US companies are a different problem with different solutions.

>Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps. Fortunately in the west, countries don't have rights, people do, and citizens generally have the right to run whatever software they want on the hardware devices they own. Governments that violate such rights get challenged in court.

> citizens generally have the right to run whatever software they want

Fortunately this isn't a restriction on citizens.

Instead, is a law regulating businesses.

We have all sorts of laws, regulating businesses, all the time.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by giraffe_lady »

asynchronous wrote: post #169
giraffe_lady wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's predictable that it's coming from a conservative state. That they are broadly against using state power to ban things is part of their identity and marketing but not reality. Especially when it can be construed as a social-moral problem.

Yeah nothing like banning people from going to restaurants without a state issued vaccine pass (we didn’t forget)

I didn't claim no other groups use state power to ban things. I'm pointing out that the idea that conservatives are uniquely and generally opposed to it is fantasy.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by runarberg »

oh_sigh wrote: post #155
woooooo wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

The $5/dozen t-shirt has little possibility of collecting private data and sending it to the mother ship

How does a hypothetical data collection warrant a ban, while a real illegal data collection associated with illegal voter manipulation and illegal campaign financing, like the Cambridge Analytica—a British company—scandal, doesn’t?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by lotsoweiners »

tcfunk wrote: post #131
organsnyder wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state of Montana doesn't speak for the federal government.

Federal gov employees also can't use tiktok on any device that is in the general vicinity of gov property.

Yeah. A lot of state and other local government are coming out with these policies as well. In Arizona we aren’t allowed to have TikTok on any government issued devices or on any device that accesses government resources (so personal device that you use to access work gmail or outlook).

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by jfengel »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #10

How is this constitutional?

"Constitutional" is what five members of the Supreme Court say it is. I'm sure they can come up with reasoning either way.

I suspect most neutral observers would say it's unconstitutional. But what they think does not matter.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by CamperBob2 »

lykahb wrote: post #172

I hope that this shifts the Overton window toward discussion about banning facebook, twitter and instagram. They play a major role in exacerbating the divisions in the society and the rising suicide rate. Those domestic platforms do a better job at undermining the national security than any foreign force could dream of.

How do you reconcile this position with the First Amendment?
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