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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Good to see human beings are still challenging themselves in chess after AlphaGo

AlphaGo plays go, not chess. Computers have crushed humans at chess for 20+ years.

Good to know, thanks. And yet we are still celebrating human victory in chess. Tears again.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

#173
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I'd rather have the best current player in there. I thought this WCC was rather pointless.

Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

>This event showed who the strongest match player in the world is, and as of today - that is Ding Liren.

Reread carefully your arguing against Carlsen. If it applies to Carlsen, then why not to Ding Liren? That doesn't makes sense to me at all.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn'…

I can’t find any video of Ding saying that but I’ll assume it’s true. Well, then Ding is lying to himself (which would actually be a clever strategy so that doesn’t weigh on your mind the next time you’re in a tough time situation). Ding started his move with over 5 minutes to go. He finally played a move with about 45 secs remaining. He still had 8 moves to make in 45 seconds before time would be extended. The 5 or…

The live commentators were doing the same thing as the media coverage - jumping to the immediate shallow sound-bite conclusion, without thinking about any deeper explanation or context.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

#175
post #35

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I'd rather have the best current player in there. I thought this WCC was rather pointless.

Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

As Magnus noted in his reasons for stepping down from the match, your first sentence is entirely correct. The 1v1 format of the world championship makes it largely a battle of opponent-specific prep. For a round robin, players generally play their strongest lines and prepare for their opponents' likely responses. For the championship, each player is trying to prepare surprises for the other, and it's largely a battle of who can get their opponent out of prep most effectively without sacrificing advantage, and how effectively you play when out of prep.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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I do wonder if Fabiano Caruana (the commentator in question, world #7) is going to have some introspection following these events, because that pattern occurred several times during his commentary. He came up with endless (and completely valid) ways for both players to 'kill'/simplify/draw the games at various points, but the players chose far more ambitious routes ultimately culminating in the final game where it de…

I think Fabi is licking his chops thinking he can now finally be a world champion since Carlsen is out and Ding maybe won't be too hard to best. He predicted lots of lines in the match or saw better ones from his commentator chair (granted the eval bar helps a lot). But you are right he will have to take some risks probably.

“The eval bar helps a lot” is a very significant factor, to be sure.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

#178

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Quite the opposite approach would be better. Tiebreaks only happened because players are actively seeking them for various reasons, playing to 14 draws in previous matches. Set the formula to 5 wins in classical (like it used to be), and it would be a real chess championship event. Players would no longer seek draws hoping for some luck in the tiebreaks.

...and then you get what happened in 84-85, a match that lasts 48 games and 159 days.

And that would be great.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

#179

Thanks to the commentators to make the game accessible to us 1100 elo > It's funny because at my level I thought it made 100% sense to decline draw and go Rg6. With two beautiful passed pawns and a bishop in the middle ding had a clear plan and very low risk (to me) to lose while Nepo had to do so many super accurate queen moves to defend... which seemed impossible (to me) in time pressure. It's basically (to me, aga…

Rg6 is an amazing decision (note that I didn't say it's the right one as clearly I wouldn't know). Think about it, after months of preparation and a couple weeks of playing long games, and getting so much pressure, he can take a draw with black and then play blitz. Nobody would have blame him for it. But he realized that he has some chance for pressure, and that Ian has spent his extra time on the clock. So he puts h…

Ding played really well at many points and absolutely deserves the title. I just think saying "it shows incredible courage and fighting spirit." might be an exagération when the decision was 100% logic to me.

The point is that he had 0 reason in fact to accept the draw. First, if Ian initiates a draw, its because he thinks its good for him so why help Ian ? Secondly it was either fighting now, or later in blitz. So just why delay the fight ? Literally why ? Theres no reason to. At the end of the day you win when the other makes mistake, and his position plus time control was really likely to make ian make errors also.

If anything i thought it was very a bit careles from ian to assume he would accept, and for what is worth Hikarus more or less said something in his recap along these lines and that he could have simplified a lot more before to make a draw more likely. I hope my point is clear despite my english

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

#180
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It was only low risk in hindsight. Yes the two pawns looked good, but the black king wasn't exactly completely secure either.

Hence they said (to me) because low elo players are going to underestimate value of activity & king safety

Yea that's a fair rebuttal. At higher ELOs, you start to develop a sense of paranoia about the King. For example, opening the center before castling feels very wrong intuitively, and in this case, pinning one of your few remaining pieces against your own King with an envelope of only two pawns is one of those "maybe I should be concerned" types of scenarios.
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