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The Disappointment of 5G

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Re: The Disappointment of 5G

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> You can reasonably replace your home internet with 5G Doing that at scale is an amazing way to drive 5G speeds and latency into the ground, making it worse than old cable connections.

I thought 5G solves scalability issues (at least better than 4G)

There's no magic that will beat physics. 5G does very little here.

Re: The Disappointment of 5G

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Why is Germany so expensive?

It's _really_ hard to come up with a coherent theory of European telecom pricing; it is just all over the place. For instance, Ireland is more expensive than the UK thing... So it's a density thing, right? Not so fast; Germany (denser than Ireland) is also more expensive than Ireland... There are some general _trends_, but big exceptions to all of them.

Interesting quote:

> The prevalent means of connecting to the Internet in Germany is DSL, introduced by Deutsche Telekom in 1999. Other technologies such as Cable, FTTH and FTTB (fiber), Satellite, UMTS/HSDPA (mobile) and LTE are available as alternatives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Germany

Re: The Disappointment of 5G

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In remote areas, Starlink is probably a better bet than 5G to allow for low latency, high bandwidth use cases.

This arbitrary web site disagrees: 25ms vs 1ms latency. https://history-computer.com/starlink-vs-5g-which-is-better

but which really remote area gives you 5G with 1ms latency? If it's worth to have that infrastructure you might as well have fiber at home.

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As someone who just went though a 3 month battle is one of the major ISP's in the UK to get a family members property connected I can suggest 1 big thing that many customers will notice a differnce between LTE and 5G. Gaming. First games are getting huge, so the extra speed is always a bonus for getting the title downloaded faster. At the family members property inquestion their old fixed line boardband connection wa…

LTE latency is fine for gaming. 20-30ms, very similar to DOCSIS cable broadband. The problem isn't LTE, it's that the LTE tower you are/were connected to is congested, so latency starts rising. The exact same thing happens on 5G, though there is more capacity & fewer users on it right now. Congestion is starting to build everywhere on 5G in the UK. I imagine in a year or twos time performance will be pretty average o…

Lte latency is ok for gaming, it's sometimes faster than aDSL. As you said, the problem occurs when congested, which in my experience is either always or when you are free to game (drawing parallels to traffic).

But to be absolutely fair, aDSL latency isn't good. On the same hardware, i went from 70-80 ms on aDSL to 10-15ms (in various games, not raw icmp) when i switched to fiber. Sure, for most games that isn't that much but try to do any kind of competitive gaming and you very quickly end up in situations where ping becomes an issue.

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