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Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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There are at least four replies at this moment missing the point entirely, it's incredible how knee-jerk these are to defend Tesla against a defense of Tesla .

If the point is so opaque that four separate comments miss it, then maybe it was not well described in the first place.

It’s less a knee-jerk defense of Tesla and more of a knee-jerk “what are you talking about that’s absurd” because at face value it’s an exceptionally absurd claim.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Reading this entire story, it baffles me that as of today I can still add a "Full Self-Driving Capability" option when ordering a Tesla.

I wonder if dealers are still telling people that the future robotaxi service means that the car will entirely pay for itself?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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If you steal more than $5K three times in California, you will get 25 years in prison [1], and while I think that's disgusting and detestable, I don't want any elites getting special treatment either, so as to force change in those sentencing guidelines. [1] https://www.kannlawoffice.com/grand-theft.html

Three strikes and you’re out isn’t about retribution, it’s about the strong evidence that the specific deterrence and rehabilitation effect of prison will not work on a particular individual.

Anyone guilty of wage theft getting hit by that law?

Just saying, in practice its clearly not about jailing menaces to society.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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That's the theory. In reality, there are "prison consultants" who can help you get into a "better" prison. You can ask for citations, and I actually found one [1]. [1] https://archive.ph/vFvq7

Hucksters, almost all of them. They prey on the desperate. They preyed on my family.

I'm sure you're right, but the reason I know about them is that I do know a guy who used one, and got a "better" prison. No names, for obvious reasons.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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I have 0% faith the current hardware will ever run a real level 5 solution. It will require better processors, better cameras, LiDAR, more RAM, something.

> have 0% faith the current hardware will ever run a real level 5 solution Me either! But that’s not fraud. It’s delusion. We don’t criminalise it because the difference between genius and crazy is often only apparent ex post facto .

I don't understand, up top you said it's just the "capability". So if it isn't even that, what's left?

Don't they already have a new, more powerful HW design for 2023 that is incompatible with the fittings for the old one?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Do you actually want to bet? I'd be happy to take your money.

No, because there's probably a lot of eyeballs on her at this moment. She's probably the very definition of a flight risk I would imagine, given her personality, the scope of her crimes, and her previous attempt to flee. However, you make it sound like it's super difficult to disappear. It can be as simple as getting on a boat and sailing off into the night, or an airplane... no Hollywood plot necessary - no one woul…

Disappearing is easy.

Staying disappeared is much more difficult, particularly if you are interested in living even a moderately normal life.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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> how would you "dollarise" damage caused by incorrect sample analysis that caused the death of a patient I don’t personally believe jail should be limited to violent acts for this reason. (My exceptions being corruption and fraud.)

Willful negligence resulting in death arguably is violence. It becomes obvious when the device is not a blood test but say firing a gun in the air without regard to where the bullet will land. Willfully misrepresenting medical testing is firing a gun in the air without regard to where it goes; it is totally unreasonable to believe the outcome will be anything but violent.

I think that the taking away of personal freedom is "democratic" in the sense that it is painful for rich and poor. Not so for financial penalties.

Consider a "fake it till you make it" company that produces medical equipment. During the the "fake it" phase some people suffered life changing damage directly related to the company's equipment. The damaged is quantified and the company pays up without breaking a (financial) sweat.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Three strikes and you’re out isn’t about retribution, it’s about the strong evidence that the specific deterrence and rehabilitation effect of prison will not work on a particular individual.

Anyone guilty of wage theft getting hit by that law? Just saying, in practice its clearly not about jailing menaces to society.

Do you know of anyone that’s been convicted of wage theft, sent to prison, convicted of a new count of wage theft, sent to prison, and convicted of a new count of wage theft

… or did you just want to flog your hobbyhorse regardless of how poor the fit was?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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> I'm an FSD Beta user... 1000s of other Beta testers Ah, so the hundreds of thousands or millions who bought FSD years ago should be happy that a few thousand of you get to test out a system with your own lives. Great. Edit: Don't bother responding if you're a Tesla or Elon fanboy/fangirl. I'm not interested in being insulted any longer by you folks.

There are 400,000+ Beta users currently (US and Canada). You are being fooled by the headlines. The people in the EU have a legitimate beef (not being able to use the functionality). "test a system with our own lives" is silly hyperbole and you know it.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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I don't think she, or other non-violent criminals, should be in prison. There are much more affordable and constructive ways to handle this. This isn't rehabilitation or justice, only punishment.

Punishment is an essential element of justice. How can there be justice without punishment for the crimes committed. Or do you propose the dead will have their life rehabilitated somehow?
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