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I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

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Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#171
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet: If your battery is dying way sooner than it should be, and if you have _any_ aftermarket equipment installed (radio, backup cam, alarm, remote start, trailer light module), that should always be the VERY first thing to suspect.

These things are not engineered to the same requirements as the OEM electronics, and if they are drawing 10s of milliamps while the car is off, that is certainly enough that you wouldn't notice an issue with a newer batter and a car being driven every day. But if your driving patterns change and the battery gets older, suddenly your battery is dying all the time and "nothing has changed."

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#173

My wife and I gave our old car to her parents. In the subsequent years, its battery kept dying and we had to go over to their place and jump it. Never happened in the prior 7 years we'd owned the car. The mechanic said nothing wrong with the battery, but suggested there might be a parasitic drain somewhere. A few days later, we were visiting them. I looked at the car and saw the door closed, but not properly latched…

My car beeps loudly and angrily at me if the doors are not 100% closed when I hit the close button on the fob.

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#174
> Since I don’t have Mazda’s proprieratry M-MDS diagnostic tool, I couldn’t disable the keyless module in software myself.

Ugh, imagine if normal computers were like that. "Since I don't have Intel's proprietary I-DBT diagnostic tool, I couldn't disable the wifi in software myself."

I guess we're half way there with phones.

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#175

I've never understood why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start. If that's too complicated then just have an option to cut all power after X hours of non-running time. I bet the old popular theft of car radio is a root cause; cars needed to stay running to keep the alarm active and power the radio continuously so it wouldn't require the unlock code every time you start the vehicle. It's act…

> I've never understood why cars don't just cut power before the battery is too low to start.

The design of most cars can't tolerate losing 12V DC power without problems. Clearing superfluous codes after a battery swap is SOP. Cars are build for two simultaneous customers: regulatory regimes and work-a-day 13.5K miles a year workers that start (and thus charge) their cars at least every 48-72 hours. Other use cases aren't really considered.

Some are better than others though. I have a 21 year old Nissan with a factory alarm and key fobs that sits for a month or more and starts fine every time. Heating helps a lot.

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#176

Well this is timely. I have a parasitic draw on my NC Miata. The first mechanic just replaced the battery. The second told me it's normal for the battery to die if you don't drive it for 3 days (because "cars have computers now"). It seems like mechanics really don't like digging into the electrical part of the car... but these days that encompasses more and more of what can go wrong. Without time to dig into it myse…

Imagine as a software developer you tracked your time working tickets, your pay was hourly, and depending on the ticket type you were prescribed how long that ticket should take and paid those set hours whether you went over/under the set hours. This sounds completely insane but this is how car mechanics work (as I understand a lot of shops do this). Replacing a battery might be 1/4 hour labor, replacing brakes on car model XYZ is 1.25 hours, etc. This is why mechanics won't really want to spend time on issues like this. It could be a wild goose chase tracking down every electrical sub-system in the car only to find something chewed thru a wire somewhere under a panel. The fix might be $15 in parts and 20 hours of actual labor but their system might quote replacing a wire as 1 hour labor.

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#177

Well this is timely. I have a parasitic draw on my NC Miata. The first mechanic just replaced the battery. The second told me it's normal for the battery to die if you don't drive it for 3 days (because "cars have computers now"). It seems like mechanics really don't like digging into the electrical part of the car... but these days that encompasses more and more of what can go wrong. Without time to dig into it myse…

> It seems like mechanics really don't like digging into the electrical part of the car... but these days that encompasses more and more of what can go wrong.

Having worked as a mechanic in my youth, and worked as a software engineer in SV, the kinds of troubleshooting skills and detail-oriented attention span involved in diagnosing these issues are far more common in the latter than the former industries.

My impression is it's rare for someone with such abilities to stay a mechanic, they can earn far more money in tech, with less exposure to hazards.

On the subject of mechanics failing to diagnose electrical issues, I have my own story too:

Decades ago, back in IL, a friend inherited a low-mileage minimalist Ford Escort hatchback, manual trans, crank windows, it was a great little econobox to inherit, on paper. He kept having the battery die on him. Not being a mechanic or even a hobbyist gearhead himself, he kept bringing it to shops. They replaced the alternator, the wiring harness, the battery, the starter, they just kept throwing parts at the car. This is what most "mechanics" do nowadays; a poorly informed process of elimination via new parts, on your dime.

I hadn't been in contact with this friend for years when I heard about this "cursed" low-mileage car sitting in his garage, full of new parts with invoices totaling well over $1k. He was car-less at the time because of this situation. I offered to fix it for him, but he didn't have any confidence left in the vehicle or my ability to fix it, he was understandably fatigued by the whole thing. So I offered something like $250 and took the car off his hands.

15 minutes with a voltmeter revealed a huge voltage drop across the negative battery terminal and the chassis. Followed the negative strap to where it attached to the chassis and the area was corroded (recall it's an IL car). Removed the rusty bolt, wire-brushed the unibody steel behind it, the bolt and cable lug, slapped dielectric grease on everything and reassembled.

The car charged the battery fine and ran like a champ. I ended up selling it back to him a year or two later for basically what I paid plus a few hundred for my trouble/towing etc. He wouldn't even take it back until I had driven it for years to prove it was fixed. It was that brutal an experience for him, dealing with "expert" "mechanics" bleeding him dry.

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> RV I'm reminded how often people come to the RV forum trying to figure out parasitic draw. The answer almost always ends up being the propane detector. People forget it's even there. Less of an issue on newer RVs that come with at least one basic solar panel installed from the factory.

Probably not an issue with more modern systems with solar panels and the detector on the house batteries.

Very few RVs come with solar.

Re: I fixed a parasitic drain on my car in 408 days

#180

Hah. I’ve replaced the battery in our Subaru Outback on average once per year, which is way too high for this environmental minded person. I just went out last night to grab something from the car and it was making a loud electrical whirring noise. I had driven it several hours prior, no idea how long it had been going. I recorded a video and it is clearly audible. I started it and turned it off again, and the noise…

I would check your owner's manual. Mine says not to be alarmed about noise coming from under the truck. In my case it's a fuel evaporation check.
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