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Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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post #138

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> They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. That one was the celebrity-hungry Norwegian Nobel Committee's fault. They award the peace prize.

Obama got a reception like he was the Pope on his first European trip. It spans more than just the Nobel committee.

That's got more to do with Bush than anything else

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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post #163

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You probably (99.9% certainty) spend too much time online and not enough time outside. twitter != the real world, tv != the real world

The 'outside world' is worse. Europe is aging, it's looking backwards and has very little interest in the future. The left side of the spectrum is stuck in '70s social democracy and believes it can still work despite the demographic collapse (french protests). It is not forward-looking nor has it made a post-boomer vision. The right is stuck in awe of its old glory and tries to revive nationalism (like Mrs Meloni, Br…

That's a very limited definition of culture then

I'd say the french protests are a good testament to the french culture being alive and kicking when basically every other country accept slaving their lives away until 67+

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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post #95

On the one hand: If your culture needs a preservation movement, it's not a culture, but a relic. Culture is defined by people, not some sacred thing that needs to be preserved. How much of the Italian cuisine they're trying to protect would exist if they had the same attitude in the 1500s, when the tomato was introduced to Italy? On the other hand: I think countries should resist global cultural homogenisation. No of…

> How much of the Italian cuisine they're trying to protect would exist if they had the same attitude in the 1500s, when the tomato was introduced to Italy?

This is a funny example to use, because while the first tomato reached Europe in the early 16th century, it was not widely eaten in Italy until the mid-to-end of the nineteenth century. For a number of reasons, people (incorrectly) believed them to be poisonous.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Yeah, it was shocking here in Stockholm when there were BLM protests in 2020. It's like people are more involved in US politics than their national politics.

They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. There is a whole magic negro thing going on with Europeans intent on demonstrating that they aren't bigots. Right until the point they have brown immigrants entering their own country.

I dunno, have you been to any of the major western European cities in the last 15 years? They're pretty brown now. At least these cities seem to greatly favor immigration.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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The current Italian government has introduced the "ministry of industry and made in Italy". That's what's it called, made in Italy , in English in the official name. I guess they're going to fine themselves.

"Fatto in Italia" would be just as good, but might not be as widely understood by non-Italian speakers.

No it wouldn't, everyone uses "made in Italy" colloquially in Italian

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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post #138

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They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. There is a whole magic negro thing going on with Europeans intent on demonstrating that they aren't bigots. Right until the point they have brown immigrants entering their own country.

> They awarded Obama a Nobel before he ever had a chance to do anything. That one was the celebrity-hungry Norwegian Nobel Committee's fault. They award the peace prize.

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Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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When I go back to France I see burgers sold everywhere and massively more English words, both compared to 20 years ago. French culture has very noticeably diluted in that relatively short time.

Use of language does not necessarily result in entirely changing the culture. Take South East Asia for example where they simply have their own spin on the English language. I fear that what the Anglosphere sees in this case is what it wants to see, its own victory, where in practice the actual outcome is more complex and doesn't necessarily result (in the long term) to the expectation.

Sure, foreign words are very often adapted.

But when you see for instance the cooking section of some French media renamed 'Food' that means something... or at least that the editor is an idiot.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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post #33

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Yeah, it was shocking here in Stockholm when there were BLM protests in 2020. It's like people are more involved in US politics than their national politics.

Maybe racism isn't just a US thing

But BLM is targeting a very specific type of racism, that is almost not applicable in Sweden.

It would be like them protesting Asians being treated unfairly on University acceptance, another American form of racism, that is also not applicable to Sweden.

Protesting your government on issues that don’t exist and they therefore cannot address is odd, and unless I’m missing something, extremely stupid

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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post #95

On the one hand: If your culture needs a preservation movement, it's not a culture, but a relic. Culture is defined by people, not some sacred thing that needs to be preserved. How much of the Italian cuisine they're trying to protect would exist if they had the same attitude in the 1500s, when the tomato was introduced to Italy? On the other hand: I think countries should resist global cultural homogenisation. No of…

> rather the way of thinking about the world. As an American who has lived in the US my whole life, it can be tough to see outside the box, so to speak. What parts of the US worldview are being exported? How does it differ with traditional attitudes?

> > rather the way of thinking about the world.

> As an American who has lived in the US my whole life, it can be tough to see outside the box, so to speak. What parts of the US worldview are being exported? How does it differ with traditional attitudes?

Your evangelicals export homophobia and prosperity gospel to Africa. And other not so nice things that were kept in check by church-state separation on your soil, but developing nations don't have mechanism to defend themselves against. Tobacco industry floods poor nations with cigarettes using marketing and legal threats. Your puritanism shoved into everyones throat, can watch violence all day, but saw a nipple? End of the world. YouTube no swear rule was/is ridiculous. The land of the free, my ass. And the idea that culture can be owned by corporations. Disney much?

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Please, don't think Italians are like that. It's just this stupid government. For instance in Italian, unlike Spanish, French, ..., there are no italianized words for all the computer science words, we just use English. In general there is not a big sentiment of culture self-defence. But this government is trying to do things that will appeal the dumb people voting for it.
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