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This is my feeling. Just feels like a can of worms has been opened here.
Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
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#173Political theater. If anything, this will help Trump and possibly give him a boast in his own party.
Even in the absolute worst case scenario for Trump (he loses and... has a massive fine? Is in jail for a bit?), this is a huge boost to Trump's campaign handed to him on a silver platter. Honestly thats exactly what Democrats want too, as they would rather run against Trump than Desantis or a Never Trumper.
I don't really understand this. What evidence is there that this is the case?
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even in the absolute worst case scenario for Trump (he loses and... has a massive fine? Is in jail for a bit?), this is a huge boost to Trump's campaign handed to him on a silver platter. Honestly thats exactly what Democrats want too, as they would rather run against Trump than Desantis or a Never Trumper.
This framing comes up all the time. Is there anything that would…not be good for Trump’s campaign?
Ignoring him and letting him yell at clouds. But they couldn’t help themselves. They’ve seen massive losses in the polls and figured they’d drag the guy out as they did ok last time against him. I think this will backfire though.
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#175What would John G. Trump (1907-1985) think?
https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.4.2018101... & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump
> American electrical engineer, inventor, and physicist. A professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology from 1936 to 1973, he was a recipient of the National Medal of Science and a member of the National Academy of Engineering ... In 1943, after the enigmatic Nikola Tesla’s death, the Federal Bureau of Investigation asked Trump to examine Tesla’s papers to determine whether he had been working on anything that might have relevance to the war. ... After the war Trump became the director of MIT’s High-Voltage Research Laboratory, a position he held from 1946 until his retirement in 1980.
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#176I think it sets a good precedent. If indicting past presidents (and vice presidents) for crimes committed while in office (or while running for office), well, the courts are going to be busy on this front for years to come. Bush and Cheney are certainly candidates, r.e. those "Saddam has an active WMD program" claims. The list could be expanded to include charges related to the unConstitutional domestic spying progra…
We’ve prosecuted a vice president candidate for similar crimes. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-senator-and-presidenti...
Exactly. I also guarantee you that this 2011 prosecution was of remote interest and wasn't raced to the top of HN at the time and even if it was posted it would be either ignored, or flagged to oblivion as it is off-topic.
Furthermore, I don't see how is this whole thread is related to 'Hacker News', or where this is 'intellectually interesting' as it is already reported in the news.
It is only for pure politics and a degraded comments section with flamebait.
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#177This seems like an obvious call to civil war when we jail an ex-president who is the frontrunner for the next election. Jailing a person who could as likely as not be be supported by a majority of voters for the presidency would probably be the single most anti-democratic act to ever occur in the US. I never thought we could outdo secret trials, but here we are, doing a speedrun into total collapse. I'm just astounde…
> I'm just astounded that the centrist blob thinks that they can get away with this utilizing a largely right-wing military
Trump pissed off all the higher ups at the military.
And what would they do anyways? Start overturning jury results they don't like? That's effectively military rule, and they know that'd just end in disaster.
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#178To play devil's advocate a little bit. From a structural perspective, it was pretty much impossible for the courts to recruit any jury that wouldn't be biased. Furthermore, the case was in New York, which is a very democratic city. I would be surprised if any jury picked from there wasn't biased and wouldn't have convicted him of any crime the judge put in front of them. To be perfectly clear, I am not a fan of Donal…
The defense gets to voir dire the jury. There were still millions of votes for Trump in NY and many that didn't vote at all.
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#179Hacker News is better without unrelated political news.
Have to agree. I don't read extremist right- (or left-) wing websites, so HN is really my only exposure to how some of these people think. It's not a good look.
Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump
#180This seems like an obvious call to civil war when we jail an ex-president who is the frontrunner for the next election. Jailing a person who could as likely as not be be supported by a majority of voters for the presidency would probably be the single most anti-democratic act to ever occur in the US. I never thought we could outdo secret trials, but here we are, doing a speedrun into total collapse. I'm just astounde…
If the US is a nation of laws and not men, then shouldn't candidates and sitting presidents be subject to the same laws?
Bill Clinton was impeached while in office for perjury over some embarrassing lies about his personal life. (Albeit as it may have related to a possible pattern of bad behavior.)