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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by starkparker »

foxandmouse wrote: post #155

Is there any way I can interact with a framework laptop before buying it? I've always loved laptop hardware, something about having all the power of a computer to go seems so freeing to me. forever I've been searching for the 'perfect machine' (granted perfect is relative to the time). ThinkPads were my favourite when IBM owned the brand, and since apple switched to intel nothing came close to the complete package of…

There's no retail way to try a Framework. This might not help you, but I've got a 13" MBP and 13" Framework both in my lap right now and can say if you absolutely can't stand having a laptop that doesn't meet Apple hardware fit and finish, just stick with Apple. The Framework's my daily driver, it's nice but not exceptional, and feels like the $1,000 laptop it is.

The value for me is entirely inside of it. This work-owned MBP is more likely to be in a landfill in 2 years than in use. Not only will the Framework still be kicking by that point, but I'll still have a use for some of the parts that I'll have replaced in it (a display, a mainboard, and two of the expansion cards) too.

If Mac repairability improves, even with Apple kicking and screaming the whole way, and if Asahi keeps improving and Apple doesn't backtrack on allowing it to work without hassle, that gap narrows and we can just worry about how these feel compared to each other rather than what they're capable of, and I'd be more likely to consider a Mac. Until then I'd rather be on the Framework, if only because it's set up exactly how I want it to be and I know I'll be in its ecosystem for a while yet.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by slaw »

wmf wrote: post #153
znpy wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it mean I can finally get a high end laptop without a discrete gpu?

Have you seen LG Gram?

LG Gram is a multipurpose laptop. You can use it's screen also as a mirror and keyboard has so interesting design you can play twister game with your fingers whether you like it or not.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by ncallaway »

snerbles wrote: post #148
whitehexagon wrote: post #58

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Matte display yay! I missed that a lot on the MBP. Seems like they still want to bundle a windows license, I never understand this, do MS pay OEMs to do this?

I passed the Windows license through to a VM on mine. Not that I do much with it, but it does activate.

Ooh, how do you do that? I got a windows one, since I figured I may dual boot it, but I never do. A VM would be a good use of that license.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by samtheDamned »

yandrypozo wrote: post #116
samtheDamned wrote: post #2

Every time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.

I'm very curious why people prefer AMD chips (I've never used one), would you share why do you and/or people you know like AMD so much?

On Linux AMD drivers are by far some of the best, and the driver support is miles better both on the end of the 1st party support as well as 3rd party software support.

There's a few instances where AMD GPU drivers even outshine their windows counterparts like in OpenGL performance. Intel's driver support is great as well, but their performance recently has not matched AMD, and their iGPUs don't compare to AMD's iGPUs.

Also for beefier laptops with discreet GPUs, intel up until very recently would need an NVIDIA card to get decent performance which would require NVIDIA drivers, which are notorious for complicating things on Linux. On the other hand AMD laptops with discreet AMD gpus already have their drivers built into the kernel which removes almost any potential complication.

Also there's personal preference, which in my case leans toward AMD because of their generally more open stance with their new technology, like raytracing and FSR which is contrasted by NVIDIAs typically closed off approach to the same things. Intel isn't as bad as NVIDIA in this department either but this is just personal opinion.

Lastly AMD CPUs are generally cheaper than intel, and in the last few generations performed better overall than intel.

TL:DR AMD on linux has great drivers with good support, the synergy between AMD's CPUs and GPUs and their combined APUs are very good, and personally I appreciate AMD's more open approach to technology like FSR, even if they aren't anywhere near perfect.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by miloignis »

genocidicbunny wrote: post #129
starkparker wrote: post #127

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> I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro https://frame.work/linux > Officially supported > Fedora 37 > Ubuntu 22.04 LTS

Perhaps it's not updated yet, but I don't see AMD in that list.

In the blog post they indicate that they will be supported:

https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-13-with-13th-gen-in...

Optimized for Linux

We continue to focus on solid Linux support, and we’re happy to share that Fedora 38 and Ubuntu 22.04 will work fantastically out of the box for both the 13th Gen Intel® Core™ and AMD Ryzen™ 7040 Series models. We have thorough setup and troubleshooting guides and will continue to provide official support for these two distributions. Manjaro XFCE 22.0 and Linux Mint 21.1 are also working great, and we’re detailing the documentation for those as well. You can check compatibility with popular distros as we continue to test them on our Linux page or in the Framework Community.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by kcb »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #99
seanp2k2 wrote: post #94

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The biggest advantage for AMD IMO is efficiency and thermals. AMD beats Intel perf per watt hands down — it’s not even close. Intel can’t shrink their process node fast enough because they use their own fabs. AMD uses TSMC and benefits from process advances. Intel has new fabs with better technology coming online in the coming years, but Apple M1/2 and AMD 5xxx but truly 7xxx have them well beat. Given that laptops h…

That was true previous gen, but Intel's efficiency cores make them quite competitive this time around. The 7000 series's advantage is now everything else: IO, the GPU, faster memory and such. I dont even count the 7945HX as a laptop CPU though. That is a $2K+ desktop replacement, complete with the same hot idling the desktop chips have.

I'm still seeing equivalent AMD based laptops with much higher battery life ratings.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by bloodyplonker22 »

yandrypozo wrote: post #116
samtheDamned wrote: post #2

Every time Framework is brought up, there's a chorus of people saying they won't buy until they release an AMD edition, and as one of them this is great to see. Edit: Also the input deck and the ability to attach an egpu as well as upgrade to a newer egpu in the future are huge. This is a fantastic leap forward for Framework.

I'm very curious why people prefer AMD chips (I've never used one), would you share why do you and/or people you know like AMD so much?

AMD has much better performance per watt. As you can imagine, this is important in any portable product.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by ykl »

uni_rule wrote: post #161
foxandmouse wrote: post #155

Is there any way I can interact with a framework laptop before buying it? I've always loved laptop hardware, something about having all the power of a computer to go seems so freeing to me. forever I've been searching for the 'perfect machine' (granted perfect is relative to the time). ThinkPads were my favourite when IBM owned the brand, and since apple switched to intel nothing came close to the complete package of…

The Microsoft Surface devices feel pretty close to modern Apple in fit and finish while also being able to boot whatever else x86 you feel like playing with. Unfortunately their stance towards repair in practice is also pretty similar to Apple. Still, that doesn't change the fact that they physically feel quite nice as devices.

If anything Surfaces are even less repairable than MacBooks. At least you can take apart a MacBook with just a screwdriver (albeit with some special bits for Apple’s weird screws), but modern Surfaces are basically filled with glue [1].

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Tea...

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