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Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by sosborn »

pupppet wrote: post #17

I had to use their silly drag-and-drop email builder because I'm handing the email off to be edited by a non-dev. I dropped in a "Code" module so I could add some custom CSS but because a style tag generates no space, that module is no longer accessible via the UI as there's nothing to click on. So I thought oh brother I'll just inject a couple br tags via the Inspector and then poof, I'm in the doghouse.

Just want to say as someone who regularly drops in code modules to insert css, you can absolutely access the block in the UI.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by 1123581321 »

rvnx wrote: post #65
1123581321 wrote: post #8

That's an anticompetitive move. If you need to switch senders for some reason, the inspector is the only clean way to get an email's HTML into another ESP.

Could it be that MailChimp consider this move (copying their HTML template used with your e-mail content) to be copyright infringement ?

I’m sure that’s at least part of how they see it.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by dylan604 »

pxeger1 wrote: post #114
dylan604 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reading further down that page... "We retain a law firm in the UK to consult on EU privacy issues." wouldn't it be better to retain a law firm that's actually in the EU? hiring a UK law firm for EU matters is no different that hiring a US law firm, or AUS, or whatever non-EU country

The UK is subject to the UK GDPR, which has no material differences to the EU GDPR. There are probably some other differences, but the UK is much better than USA or Australia etc. (Although I'm surprised there aren't USA-based law firms which specialise in European privacy laws, because of their impact on tech companies)

yeah, but the people that work with the UK law firm probably go to the UK to have meetings just so they can update their out-of-office replies with "i'll be away for meetings in the UK for...blahblahblah" just so they look cooler than the schmucks that have meetings across town. so that's why they choose non-local talent, just for their egos.

or, maybe i'm confusing them with ad agency types that i've worked with in the past and i'm just projecting one ego industry to another?

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by alpaca128 »

opinionsonly01 wrote: post #163
amyjess wrote: post #59

This is worrying since I have accidently opened dev tools hundreds of times by clicking both mouse buttons when my cursor is near the bottom of the screen. I have a tic disorder (not Tourette's, because my tics are all nonverbal). One of my tics is that I mash both mouse buttons over empty space pretty frequently. I even go out of my way to keep my cursor positioned over empty space so I can mash the mouse buttons wh…

> I have a tic disorder (not Tourette's, because my tics are all nonverbal). That's still Tourette's. Tourette's is described as an involuntary movement /or/ sound.

No. Tourette's is a tic disorder but not every tic is Tourette's. To quote Wikipedia:

> It is characterized by multiple movement (motor) tics and at least one vocal (phonic) tic.

> Tourette's is at the more severe end of a spectrum of tic disorders.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by alpaca128 »

amyjess wrote: post #59

This is worrying since I have accidently opened dev tools hundreds of times by clicking both mouse buttons when my cursor is near the bottom of the screen. I have a tic disorder (not Tourette's, because my tics are all nonverbal). One of my tics is that I mash both mouse buttons over empty space pretty frequently. I even go out of my way to keep my cursor positioned over empty space so I can mash the mouse buttons wh…

Reminds me of my habit of scrolling the mouse wheel above nonresponsive parts of the UI. I wore out the scrollwheel of my last mouse. Though I never thought of it as a tic, even though I have various tics myself. Doesn't open dev tools but it makes YouTube's Shorts feature absolutely unusable because the slightest scroll input will cause a switch to another video.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by JohnBooty »

javajosh wrote: post #118
JohnBooty wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not defending MailChimp (this devtools thing is pretty awful) but "just DIY it" is a bit glib. DIY'ing what MailChimp provides is... a lot. I wrote a sort of "DIY MailChimp" for a marketer back in the ancient days of the early 2000s. I did the tracking and email content bits. I did not handle the email servers themselves. Lot of work staying off of blacklists. It was something close to a fulltime job back then, a…

The users of mailchimp don't need to make another mailchimp. They just need to handle their own email needs. That's a big difference. It's still not easy, and I would never be glib about it, especially since I've never run my own mail server on my own domain name before. But...several full-time jobs? How much mail do you need to send before postfix on a $5 VPS falls over? In terms of composing html mail that looks go…

It's not the amount of mail you send. Sending 1,000,000 emails is as easy as sending 1,000.

As I said though compliance with spam regulations will be a constant battle. If you don't care if e.g. Google blacklists you from gmail.com, cool. That makes things a lot easier.

    The users of mailchimp don't need to make another mailchimp
Right. I said that I'm assuming you can skip the consumer-friendly UI bits.

However, I'm assuming you do at least want the analytic and tracking bits in this theoretical situation. Otherwise, why use something like Mailchimp in the first place? There are other ways to "just send mail." You choose Mailchimp for the extra bits.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by pupppet »

sosborn wrote: post #171
pupppet wrote: post #17

I had to use their silly drag-and-drop email builder because I'm handing the email off to be edited by a non-dev. I dropped in a "Code" module so I could add some custom CSS but because a style tag generates no space, that module is no longer accessible via the UI as there's nothing to click on. So I thought oh brother I'll just inject a couple br tags via the Inspector and then poof, I'm in the doghouse.

Just want to say as someone who regularly drops in code modules to insert css, you can absolutely access the block in the UI.

Yeah I thought it would be a weird oversight on MC's part to make you jump through hoops just to insert a style tag but it completely disappeared from the UI. The effect from my CSS was still there so I know it was still on the page...somewhere.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by kyleee »

sli wrote: post #158
temp12192021 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://sindresorhus.com/devtools-detect/ https://github.com/sindresorhus/devtools-detect EDIT: doesn't seem to work if I have devtools as a separate window

Wow, that code is entirely unreliable. It just detects your browser's viewport being outside of some threshold of a "normal" aspect ratio and then just blindly assumes that means the devtools are open. The only devtool it can actually detect is Firebug. Everything else is nothing but a blind guess based on the size of your viewport. I'd be astonished if anyone used this code for anything serious.

That person churns out a staggering amount of code so it’s not a surprise I guess that the bit about “does this code actually work” is probably lower on the list of concerns

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by mr_toad »

akira2501 wrote: post #93
lotsofpulp wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of websites make me disable content blockers on Safari too, or even not let me use Safari (maybe because of Apple’s Private Relay?). The part I do not understand is even websites that verify you via 2FA do this, so I assume their goal is to track you no matter what.

In the general case, I assume it's mostly just bad coding practices, and developers not testing how their site performs with an ad or cookie blocker active.

And loading up on dependencies that include tracking cookies.

Re: Tell HN: MailChimp blacklists your IP if you open the browser's dev tools

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Post by inconceivable »

eclipticplane wrote: post #80
scosman wrote: post #79

Mailchimp previously cranked up pricing on their Mandrill product dramatically, with minimal warning, no opt in, and unsympathetic tone from C-suite. Mailchimp is pretty hostile to developers. I don't recommend using them after that experience.

I'm convinced at this point they are trying to slowly tank Mandrill to get people to stop using it. Tons of downtime, worsening delivery problems, no active development -- or support even -- for years, worse pricing, ...

i signed up for a test account for a POC i'm developing, went through the whole rigamarole of setting up spf and dkim and all of that, successfully used their API and... nothing. no delivery of any email to my own domain. no response from support, since i haven't paid yet i guess.

seems like they want to eject their more sophisticated dev customers. guess i can't blame them, but why bother, just shut the damn thing down instead of wasting everyone's time.

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