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IPCC climate crisis report delivers ‘final warning on 1.5C’

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Re: IPCC climate crisis report delivers ‘final warning on 1.5C’

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> Page 16 > https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/ >> Have they modeled all the different plausible crops and agricultural techniques, which regional environmental conditions they're most suited for, and the transitions between them based on regional climate change effects? > Seems so. I'm not seeing it. I'm assuming you mean page 16 of the "Summary for Policymakers," but all that has is a unreadable map of "Maize Yield…

> So it sounds like they are not accounting for things like changes between crops or changing which areas are cultivated, which could be pretty significant. > it seems like you would have account for more Canadian land becoming arable and agriculture spreading further north. It's a map. It's litterally showing the changes by areas. And the map does show areas with increased maize yield, such as Southern Africa, but t…

> It's a map.

One that appears to not answer the question I posed, or answer it in the negative (as in, they're not modeling realistic agricultural adaptations).

> It's litterally [sic] showing the changes by areas.

Apparently only "in currently cultivated areas." It's hard to get worked up over the predictions of a model that basically assumes everyone continues to do the exact same stuff while everything else changes, even if that would mean individuals fail to meet their short-term goals.

It wouldn't have been hard to depict the area under cultivation creeping further north (or the area under cultivation receding in other areas).

> Potentially the full volume will include other crops yields and more details that you are hoping for.

Those are not the details I'm looking for. It would be closer to what I'm looking for if they took that data, divided the world into plots, then for each scenario picked the highest yielding crop for that plot, to come up with an overall agricultural productivity estimate. I say that's only closer, because it presumably wouldn't reflect other reasonable and straightforward agricultural adaptations.

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Looking at the CO2 concentration per year chart: how long until we've got Spaceballs' "Perri Air" to avoid cognitive impairment? Anyone already experimenting with getting their indoor air closer to the (extrapolating a bit) ~250-280PPM of the pre-industrial atmosphere? This'd be a step farther than people who vent in outdoor air to keep indoor air from creeping even higher due to respiration and such.

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The comparisons between the AR5 and AR6 are alarming. Now, under no emission scenarios other than low and very low which we are not tracking close to, we reach +2C at or just before 2050. Many reading this thread will see 3 degrees by the time they plan to retire. This comes with drought, undernourishment, and mass migration: https://sciencenorway.no/climate-climate-change/deadly-heat-...

All true, but as a reminder, more energy in a pseudo stable chaotic system means more extremes in both directions: more frequent floods, more frequent extreme snow events, etc., all across the globe.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/global_weirding

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Oh my Sweet Summer Child, you really have an unplaced faith in humanity - especially given our track record. "The sky is shifting" - is a hand-wave to the life-changing impacts headed our way and what our collective response to those impacts will be. Look how nuts people are getting over what are mere trivialities in comparison. Wait until there's crop failures threatening our food supply, fresh water supplies being…

>Oh my Sweet Summer Child Yeah, this person offers nothing but condescension. Immediate downvote.

Just wait until our upcoming reality hits the conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics. Climate change is going to herald in Dark Ages 2.0. I suppose the upside to that is eventually there will be an Enlightenment 2.0 also, and hopefully we'll get there faster than it took the first time.

BTW, Dark Ages 1.0 wasn't even the first time humanity has been through a dark age...

...honestly, it pays to study history to start understanding what's headed our way.

We've been here before.

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"Economic growth" is probably a bad indicator to follow. I would rather follow "number of excess death directly or indirectly linked to climate change." I don't know if that can be calculated somewhere.

> "Economic growth" is probably a bad indicator to follow. Why? Isn't economic activity a very good proxy for normal human life, good living standards, and the capacity to adapt to any conceivable challenges? Limited economic impact from climate change is arguably the most important and positive climate related news you could ever hope to see. > I would rather follow "number of excess death directly or indirectly lin…

> Why? Isn't economic activity a very good proxy for normal human life, good living standards, and the capacity to adapt to any conceivable challenges?

It's not a bad proxy, but it surely is not as good as actual excess death as proxy for "normal human life, good living standards and the capacity to adapt". Economic activity is means to those ends; excess death is a measurement of how far we can attain them.

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>Oh my Sweet Summer Child Yeah, this person offers nothing but condescension. Immediate downvote.

Just wait until our upcoming reality hits the conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics. Climate change is going to herald in Dark Ages 2.0. I suppose the upside to that is eventually there will be an Enlightenment 2.0 also, and hopefully we'll get there faster than it took the first time. BTW, Dark Ages 1.0 wasn't even the first time humanity has been through a dark age... ...honestly, it pays to study history to…

We’ve arguably had 2 dark ages in western history though they were both localized. Meanwhile people constantly predict imminent disaster.

If there’s anything to learn from history it’s that things might suck but they will probably be relatively ok. Hell the Black Death didn’t doom western civilization and it got really bad.

PS: 500-1500 actually saw a great deal of innovation and improvements to the average persons quality of live compared to the heights of Rome. For a direct competition both total steel production and steel production per person dramatically increased. Socially peasants where dramatically better off than Roman slaves etc.

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Haha love it. Reminds me of something out of Game of Thrones. For anyone reading this poem who has a strong negative reaction: Consider it a sign that perhaps there's something more you could be doing in your own life. Take a job in climate ( https://workonclimate.org/ https://climatebase.org/ ). Start a startup working on climate solutions. "Climate deniers" aren't really a problem. Complacency is bullshit though. C…

Thanks ;)

I have no problem with climate action, but the religious tendency is too obvious at this point. Clearly Gretha is our virgin Mary, she is not there because of her knowledge, but because she represent innocence, purity.

I think we should balance our actions against other causes that are also vitaly important and be careful with giving too much power to government at this moment.

Ironically the activists movement (greenpeace) blocked much of the development of nuclear energy, one of the best solution we had many many years ago.

Now solar, batteries, wind and EV are completely decarbonizing the energy sector and activist are trying to block mines projects that could help make batteries.

I think the solutions is mostly not austerity, taxes and more government, it’s more technology, more developpement.

(I would make exceptions for forever chemicals, air quality, ocean and diversity protection)

Re: IPCC climate crisis report delivers ‘final warning on 1.5C’

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The comparisons between the AR5 and AR6 are alarming. Now, under no emission scenarios other than low and very low which we are not tracking close to, we reach +2C at or just before 2050. Many reading this thread will see 3 degrees by the time they plan to retire. This comes with drought, undernourishment, and mass migration: https://sciencenorway.no/climate-climate-change/deadly-heat-...

> 2050

Luckily that aligns with the singularity timeline. AGI will have a very good carrot for us to agree on its terms.

Re: IPCC climate crisis report delivers ‘final warning on 1.5C’

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I see multiple people in this thread are talking about 3 degrees which is unrealistic. While 1.5 seems unlikely at this point 2 degrees is within reach and IMO the most likely outcome. I would even say anything above 2.5 is unrealistic. This chart[1] can be useful, compare it to last predictions and you'll see the reason of my optimism.

Also note in the beginning of 2010s solar was very expensive, right now it's (almost) the cheapest source of energy[2] and the technological problem at this point is battery.

That begin said our problem for switching to renewables isn't only technological, there are political reasons (e.g. China and coal [3]) and also despite solar being cheap for a certain period of time running old infrastructure (e.g. natural gas power plant) still makes economic sense, at least in the short term. but I expect that predictions like [1] become more optimistic in this decade.

As a final note in the past economic growth = more pollution which is simply not the case any more for most of the countries.

[1]: https://climateactiontracker.org/global/temperatures/ [2]: https://ourworldindata.org/cheap-renewables-growth [3]: https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/china-must-stop-its-coal-i...

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