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Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by braingenious »

qwertox wrote: post #121

This is the second time in the last couple of days that I've encountered a page hiding the pricing as good as they can. I wanted to see what this Max-plan costs, so I go to duolingo.com. Nowhere is a "Pricing" link to be found. So I go to "Super Duolingo", because that costs something and therefore should have a price. "Test 2 weeks for free", "Free | Super | Super-Family" with "Test 2 weeks for free", but nowhere wh…

I find that so incredibly off-putting. Whenever I see a company intentionally hiding pricing information I move them all the way to the back of the line for serious consideration. If I don’t manage to entirely put the product out of mind I’ll usually look for competitors or ways to get the service without paying for it.

If they’re going to be user-hostile, become a hostile user!

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by dotancohen »

jghn wrote: post #28
lsllc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Super Duolingo is pretty good. Dropping the Ads alone is totally worth the subscription if you're a daily user (it's the only app I use daily aside from Messages, Email etc). I'm very curious about Max though ... the explain your answer is something I'm really interested in to help me understand the sentences I'm constructing (which is where I make most of my blunders!).

I've yet to try Super Duolingo. But I've also been tapering off my usage as they keep forcing to use the word bank instead of keyboard at an increasing rate. I've no desire to use the word bank, they seem to have no desire to let me use the keyboard. Unless that's buried in one of the premium options I see the writing on the wall.

Try supplementing Duolingo with Anki / Ankidroid. Every word that I learn in Duolingo, I put into Anki. I do all my reviews in Ankidroid on a small E-Ink device but it's actually designed for phones.

You can configure Ankidroid to require you to spell the words properly.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by Kailhus »

recuter wrote: post #159
jonas21 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are game-changing improvements to language learning, things that previously you'd only get by going to a human language tutor. And the first thing that comes to mind is to complain about them adding a pricing tier? I know HN tends to be cynical, but really?

It was literally just announced hours ago and already the game is changed. Tout le jeu, jamais le même, nous parlons couramment maintenant grâce au brillant hibou d'action. A légpárnásom tele van angolnákkal!

Pardon?

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by NoPicklez »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #86

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

Great, you've just boiled down how online services are making money from their applications. Company x online uses x popular tactics for making money off of the services they provide, shock.

It's a bit of a boring story really.

Yes AI is 'so hot right now' so why not leverage it? It's hot for a reason and maybe just maybe, it is actually beneficial to the product you provide, so why wouldn't you implement it. I can see another angle if they didn't where people would start to say Duolingo is starting to become dated, due to lack of features such as AI/ML.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by NoPicklez »

skeaker wrote: post #94
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #86

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

I mean, sure, that's more or less how a company operates. You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue? This all seems pretty standard.

How dare you try to make money to pay your employees

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by recuter »

Kailhus wrote: post #174
recuter wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was literally just announced hours ago and already the game is changed. Tout le jeu, jamais le même, nous parlons couramment maintenant grâce au brillant hibou d'action. A légpárnásom tele van angolnákkal!

Pardon?

After just 5 hours on a Duolingo Max I have become fluent at useful everyday language needs, behold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grA5XmBRC6g

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by simonw »

__bjoernd wrote: post #123
simonw wrote: post #100

I've been partnering Duolingo with ChatGPT for a while now. I'll ask ChatGPT "Why was this wrong? What was my mistake?" and it explains exactly what I needed to know every time. I think this combo is going to work fantastically well.

Does it give the right information or just some that sounds reasonable to you?

I'm asking pretty basic questions - "Why moven there and not mover?" kind of level - and the responses are obviously correct to me.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by tfehring »

qwertox wrote: post #121

This is the second time in the last couple of days that I've encountered a page hiding the pricing as good as they can. I wanted to see what this Max-plan costs, so I go to duolingo.com. Nowhere is a "Pricing" link to be found. So I go to "Super Duolingo", because that costs something and therefore should have a price. "Test 2 weeks for free", "Free | Super | Super-Family" with "Test 2 weeks for free", but nowhere wh…

I didn't see any pricing information while logged out either, but as soon as I clicked the free trial button and then logged in, the next page that appeared was pricing. It's $12.99/month for an individual plan billed monthly, $6.99/month for an individual plan billed annually, and $9.99/month for a family plan (2-6 members) billed annually. I’m in California in case that matters.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Post by [deleted] »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #86

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

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