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Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by kevingadd »

mgl wrote: post #74
kevingadd wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This logic is simply not how you get money from ordinary consumers. If someone wants to support you at a level of $X for a service they're already getting for free, saying 'just give us $X*5' is not the right move. I recently watched a video game community melt down because (due to exchange rate shenanigans) the pricing of a monthly pass was $5.99 instead of $4.99, and people got furious when (a non-employee) moderat…

And did they all leave the platform or just a dozen of members published some comments of dissapointment?

It was bad enough that the developers laid off all the discord moderators and made a public apology, but they didn't say how many people chose not to renew their monthly passes.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by [deleted] »

onion2k wrote: post #147
megous wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At $29 * 7 * 12 per year it became way cheaper for us to just piece together functionality we needed from nginx+cgit+homegrown database to store users/repos/acl/push info and a few git hooks written in a few lines of PHP. The cost is now independent of the number of developers using the system. So far it did cost ~1 month of paying for github in dev time and I can't imagine it costing much more when we'll want to add…

The problem with a homegrown system is that every developer working within it will see it as a barrier rather than a cost saving. Whenever they can't do something that's trivial on Github/Gitlab it'll be a reminder that the company would rather save $xxx/year than make their job easier. Ultimately, having a simple, well-integrated, industry standard stack that includes the same tooling every other company uses is a p…

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Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by remram »

mac-chaffee wrote: post #41
nimbius wrote: post #21

things like github and gitlab always struck me as oddities. it costs virtually nothing to deploy a containerized gitea and jenkins, or gitlab CE, and you have direct control over its performance and options without any spend. call me old fashioned but these online git-o-matic sites just seem more like rent-seeking during a recession.

I always reference this post when the subject of self-hosting "simple" things comes up: https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/RunningSer...

It seems that most of those concerns are not alleviated by using GitHub or GitLab SaaS: "figure out the software you want to use" (you still have to choose the platform), "figure out authentication" (you still have to link your SSO with the platform), "continuous integration systems (...) or production servers that pull from your Git repos, you're going to need to figure out how to connect all of this to the Git server" (you still have to do this), "Git version compatibility" (still a concern, unless you only write code from a browser).

What a weird list.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

maccard wrote: post #26
c2h5oh wrote: post #7

The fact they can leave things as serious as this https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab/-/issues/344919 unfixed for almost a year and a half basically makes them not suitable for serious use in my opinion. And since my opinion often matters they continue to lose business.

It's hard to blame them for every specific bug. It might be incredibly important to you, but not to others, and there's probably another showstopper bug for someone else that isn't important for you in return.

> It might be incredibly important to you, but not to others, and there's probably another showstopper bug for someone else that isn't important for you in return.

Yes, but that's not a good thing; IMO they've hit the point where they're dying by papercuts. If one user in a million has a completely awful show stopper bug, the product/business will probably be fine. If one in ten users has a fairly serious bug, they're in a bad spot. Obviously they're not at either of those extremes.... but I think they're closer to the latter than the former.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mardifoufs »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #165

Contrary to the common opinion here, I've really enjoyed using GitLab and don't see many problems with it. Lot of the comments here complaining about pricing. Please remember that GitLab's core is open source. If you think the managed offering is too expensive, just host an instance yourself. This is what I have been doing at home for years, and my company at work for even longer.

I think the main reason why I dislike the pricing is that there's no way to buy seats with different premium tiers. I'm sure they've done the maths, but it's a very hard sell to just upgrade from the community edition, knowing that you'll have to now restrict the instance knowing that even a casual user (marketing, sys.engineers, mech engineers, etc) will cost the same price...when that limitation just doesn't exist if you don't pay anything at all! It's just counterintuitive.

Good luck trying to get buy in for the Ultimate tier (1200$ per year vs 300$ for the normal paid tier) when only a few users need or use the improved reporting/security featuresEven if it's not a huge cost per se, it makes most premium features a lot less attractive. And remember, you can self host Github Enterprise for a lot less than Gitlab now.

Again, I'm convinced they know how to price their product a lot better than us, but as an enduser, it's a bummer. Because Gitlab is still an amazing product, if just for their open source core alone. So I really hope they figure out a way to be sustainable.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

swyx wrote: post #65
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #57

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hey, please have some tact. sid is a very active part of our community and almost certainly reading this post. dont say anything here you wouldnt say to a friend's face especially in his time of vulnerability.

I didn't mean that in any sort of bad way. I'm sorry it was taken that way. It's just that it seems like incredibly bad luck to have "made it" on a level that most people can't imagine, and then you are struck with a serious illness like this.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by TheChaplain »

Dear GitLab, please introduce a $5 "Pro" tier for small time developer/enthusiasts us who can't justify $29 a month.

Should be enough to just double the free tier, and perhaps make purchasable extras available such as buy extra CI minutes or transfer.

Otherwise there is no way we can support you.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by XajniN »

Petersipoi wrote: post #170
meghan_rain wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't tell them it becomes 40k after taxes or people here won't believe you.

Software Engineers work for $40k net in Europe? Genuinely asking.

Only if they have a good salary

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by Eugr »

kugelblitz wrote: post #49
nimbius wrote: post #21

things like github and gitlab always struck me as oddities. it costs virtually nothing to deploy a containerized gitea and jenkins, or gitlab CE, and you have direct control over its performance and options without any spend. call me old fashioned but these online git-o-matic sites just seem more like rent-seeking during a recession.

There's always opportunity costs. What about regular maintenance and updates? What happens when a bug appears? What if the disk is full? Working 50% freelance and 50% revenue-generating niche side-project, I always calculate my time costs. Assuming I earn $80 an hour as a freelancer and a hosted git costing $10 a month, if I estimate I will need an additional 15mins a month if I go self-hosted, then I'll pay for the…

If you already have people maintaining self-hosted or cloud environments, adding GitLab to the mix would not cost anything extra. We self-hosted GitLab instance for many years at my previous job and after plugging it into monitoring/backup systems it was extremely low maintenance. Even updates were painless.
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