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Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by cutler »

mxuribe wrote: post #67
candyman wrote: post #8

I'd love to see something like this. I'm an old computer science guy and would love to write software again. I can write plenty of functionality in Python but I don't really want to learn all the JS stuff. I just don't like it. If I could abstract away the details it would be a big help. I'm not going to build anything that requires scale or commercial performance so I can afford to compromise versus the "purity" of…

> ...I'm an old computer science guy and would love to write software again. I can write plenty of functionality in Python but I don't really want to learn all the JS stuff... Back in early 2000s, i used to be more of a front-end dev...but over the years of being more of a manager (or PM or product manager) i stepped away from daily development...So, you know, I lost my touch. But a few years ago when i tried to dip…

Then you might like Rails 7 which defaults to Hotwire for a minimal-JS front-end.

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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0xbadcafebee wrote: post #74

You could make about a trillion dollars if, instead of asking people to write Python, you just gave them a WYSIWYG and let them build web apps by pointing and clicking like in MS Publisher/Powerpoint. Literally everyone in the world would buy it to make their own web pages. I get that nerds like to write code, but it is really depressing that we still can't just point and click and share content on the internet, we n…

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Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by cutler »

drglitch wrote: post #116

In earlier life, I authored this exact product (including distributed deploy) for a large investment bank and a fintech startup :) This is immensely valuable to a lot of Python devs, especially in finance/quant community. Great work! Edit: The reason why this is so impactful is b/c most users have no idea how to build a react app (along with the circus of build/deploy train one typically entails). They just want a qu…

Wouldn't Django or Flask with Stimulus and Turbolinks be a better option? The hard work has already been done.

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by apetuskey »

alex_lav wrote: post #170

I love this. I tried to get a small PoC working last week and encountered a bug on a very trivial case (rendering a python list to an unordered list element), so may be a bit early for my blood, but I'm excited to see how this project matures and will continue to follow along!

Thank you! Feel free to put a GitHub issue ill try and fix asap

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by alex_lav »

cutler wrote: post #164

This sounds fine for a very narrow subset of use cases which follow the Happy Path but a complete disaster for anything else. I mean, come on, there are so many React devs who struggle to get it right so how on earth is a Python abstraction layer going to be any better? Just learn JS.

I'm not arguing with you, but I'm curious why you'd think a person should "Just learn JS" if you also seem to think that people that know and like JS can't get it right? Isn't the purpose of libraries like this to remove the burden of "Just learn ____" from solving similar problems?

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by mxuribe »

adfm wrote: post #77
mxuribe wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...I'm an old computer science guy and would love to write software again. I can write plenty of functionality in Python but I don't really want to learn all the JS stuff... Back in early 2000s, i used to be more of a front-end dev...but over the years of being more of a manager (or PM or product manager) i stepped away from daily development...So, you know, I lost my touch. But a few years ago when i tried to dip…

Check out htmx.

Thanks for this recommendation! I had actually already added htmx to my "need to research/review" list of bookmarks... since it kept coming up in HN comments so often. Now, i guess i can move it up a tad in priority.

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by mxuribe »

anakaine wrote: post #123
mxuribe wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...I'm an old computer science guy and would love to write software again. I can write plenty of functionality in Python but I don't really want to learn all the JS stuff... Back in early 2000s, i used to be more of a front-end dev...but over the years of being more of a manager (or PM or product manager) i stepped away from daily development...So, you know, I lost my touch. But a few years ago when i tried to dip…

I'm in exactly the same boat. Ive managed to keep inntouch with core tools on the backend, but frontend has just withered on the vine, so to speak. Learning all the JS stuff is just too hard when combined with back end, data, auth, layout, display, responsive, etc.

> ...when combined with back end, data, auth, layout, display, responsive, etc...

Exactly! Glad to hear I'm not alone in that boat! :-)

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by warent »

You should feel really proud of building something so big!

That being said, what's with the bad performance? When I go to this page on Mobile: https://pynecone.io/docs/getting-started/introduction

and I press the "increment" button, it lags. It's subtle but would guess it takes over 100ms to respond.

If I mash the button repeatedly, sometimes it will actually lag so bad I can watch it continue to increment to "catch up" after I've stopped pressing.

As a professional full stack with specialization on frontend, this is not something I would find acceptable in boutique products.

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by picklelo »

jedberg wrote: post #153

I love this! This solves a big problem for me, which is writing/packaging/deploying JS/HTML. Question: I see that the ORM assumes a SQL backend. Do you have any plans to support key/value stores, or is it easy to change out the ORM? I'm thinking this would be perfect for deployment into AWS Lambda for the backend, Cloudfront for the front end, and DynamoDB for the data.

The ORM is a wrapper around SQLAlchemy, so only SQL databases for now. But since everything is in Python, you can still connect to any other database/service like you normally would.

Re: Launch HN: Pynecone (YC W23) – Web Apps in Pure Python

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Post by apetuskey »

warent wrote: post #178

You should feel really proud of building something so big! That being said, what's with the bad performance? When I go to this page on Mobile: https://pynecone.io/docs/getting-started/introduction and I press the "increment" button, it lags. It's subtle but would guess it takes over 100ms to respond. If I mash the button repeatedly, sometimes it will actually lag so bad I can watch it continue to increment to "catch…

Thanks! We are in the process of making it faster, the projects still new and there's a lot of different ways we can improve and speed things up. Especially since we want to start incorporating web assembly in the future.
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