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Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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I feel like killing Reader was the point at which I switched from viewing Google mostly positively to more skeptically. Which doesn't seem terribly rational, really; it wasn't the first product to be axed, it was perfectly possible to replace... Maybe it was just the first product axing that really affected me? The moment Google went from "provider of great free stuff" to "sometimes provider of free stuff, sometimes…

I understand you completely. For me also it was a turning point, but the real nail in the coffin was when they shut down Inbox. That was when it went from a new Google product being interesting and getting in there early to every Google product being eyed with distrust and reluctance.

I wanted to try it, but my computer at the time couldn't handle it. It seems like I missed both a great experience and a serious disappointment.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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Speak for yourself, I'm still heavily using RSS. I stumbled upon this thread via RSS.

+1 (something else that was killed by google but still everyone knows that means) I used freshrss, and got to this article via RSS as well. It's my only source of news. I'm usually the first to know about new stuff in my circle of friends because of my carefully curated RSS feeds.

+1ing things far predates Google+.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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I stopped having a positive view of Google due to their poor explanation for shutting down Google Reader. They explained they were shutting it down due to declining usage and they are pouring all of their energy into fewer product, however, as Google had a reputation for building cool and free stuff back then, it seemed reasonable to me that they could have maintain it in a frozen state or provide a longer transition…

Remember Stadia? Google doesn't give a fuck about their users or customers. I would rather trust my money with Bernie Madoff than Google. I'm a 4 yrs customer with Google Cloud and they shutdown all my servers last friday. 3 days now and they still haven't gave me a resolution. Context: https://www.onvoard.com/blog/our-production-servers-was-susp...

Yikes. Inspite of leadership changes by hiring from Oracle, it’s clear GCP will be stuck in 3rd place for a while. You can’t treat long standing customers (even with a modest spend) like dirt and hope to somehow edge out Azure or AWS.

Submitted your link for discussion:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35133917

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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I'm usually one for blaming the big company and arcane processes, but this squarely your fault. You missed emails asking for verification, and had your account suspended because of it. This will happen to you again on AWS or any other provider. Stadia was disappointing, but they refunded everyone everything they had ever spent. Short of keeping the service running for free forever I'm not sure what more they could ha…

"You missed emails asking for verification" Did you saw the title of the email? "Important Information for your Account". It reads more like an informational email. How many important emails you've received this week? Could've been worded "[Action Required]", "Account Suspension Notice" etc. And they didn't even drop a notification when my servers were shutdown. "This will happen to you again on AWS or any other prov…

> Did you saw the title of the email?

I did, and I saw who it was from. There's absolutely no way that I would ignore an email from my cloud provider like that.

> I need to be very clear, the suspension is not due to fraudulent issue. It's due to "missing some paperwork". I've been paying using the same card for the past 4 yrs.

You're putting words in my mouth here. I never said it was due to fraud, it's due to you not filling in the paperwork they asked you to do in a timeframe, where they clearly state what will happen if you don't follow the instructions. Again, many providers will ask for extra information (your bank for example), and if you don't follow the procedure, you'll have your services suspended.

> See similar horror stories below. AWS doesn't pull this shit.

One google search gives me https://www.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/bjdgql/authentication_... - so yes, AWS does do this.

> And lastly, when something like this happens, the minimal they could do is to get my servers back asap.

I disagree - you were told what was going to happen if you didn't do it. It's not their fault you didn't read your email. The minimal _you_ can do is read the email from your cloud provider.

> And they've been dead silence over 3 days already.

3 days being a weekend. Do you pay for Support? https://cloud.google.com/support

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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It was the reason they killed it for me. Google Reader was successful and growing. It wasn’t killed on its own merits. It was killed because Google decided Facebook was an existential threat to them so they had to do everything they could to make Google+ work, including killing otherwise successful and popular products like Reader because, killing it may lead to a slight increase in G+ adoption.

If it still existed it would have been killed by advertisements anyway.

It’s a blessing in disguise that the protocol didn’t go more “mainstream” and get exploited to death by opportunistic assholes.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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> Google Reader was a product that was crazy cheap to maintain (no way it had more than a dozen engineers working on it), It’s hard to show “scope” and “impact” by maintaining a product with declining usage. No one who cared about their career would want to work on something that was in maintenance mode.

I never understood why Google doesn't hire B teams to do the maintenance work, or outsource it. It's normal that if you hire only top players that no one wants to be stuck doing tickets.

Whoever's maintaining and updating Blogger should be involved in picking that team. People keep declaring it dead, and they keep putting out major improvements and modernizations at least every few years.

https://blogger.googleblog.com/

The last update is May 2020 after at least one a year for 15 years, so it may not be long for this world.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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I haven't heard the phrase "more wood behind fewer arrows" before, but I am pretty sure that never in the history of the evolution of projectiles was that tradeoff ever taken in that direction.

That's what makes it so amazing !!! It was a delicious self-parody. I remember reading it and thinking it made absolutely no sense as a metaphor: just imagine the poor archer being told "instead of having 15 arrows to take with you today, we've decided to give you three really heavy arrows"... that was the announcement that really made Google product management feel like a laughing stock to me, and is what I return t…

The "more wood" is in the bow, not the arrows. A bigger, heavier bow will shoot arrows with more force, but will take more effort, strength, and time to operate, so shoot fewer arrows harder.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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F = M * A Raise the mass of the arrow and it'll hit with more force. There's a sweet spot for piercing heavy cloth armor. If the arrows are too light, they'll bounce right off.

and if the arrows are too heavy they're not gonna make it, and if you run out of arrows, you're fucked

> and if the arrows are too heavy they're not gonna make it, and if you run out of arrows, you're fucked

Enough thrust will make anything fly: if your bow's range is halved by a heavier arrow, maybe switch it out for a crossbow.

It only doesn't make sense if you choose the position that arrows can be switched out but not bows.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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Indeed; it felt magical, but was a solution in search of a problem... which was ultimately found in Google Docs having very similar live editing ability.

Also its rollout was done in the most ridiculous way possible. For a product that relies on your workmates or friends to have access, they didn't let those workmates or friends have access. Then by the time they did, the hype had worn off, and people had moved elsewhere.

I can't tell if you're talking about internal rollout of public because the same problems existed internally. One person on your team would request it because they bought the hype but not everyone had access so only that one person would play with it and the social aspect of it just wasn't there. I tried to make it useful for a couple weeks but my impression at the end was the same as when they did the TGIF demo: mostly pointless fluff.

Re: Google Reader shut down announced ten years ago today

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Meh the ad business was pretty established well before 2013 when Reader shut down. RSS was declining well before that. Google acquired Doubleclick in 2008 aka what became the real Adwords in its prime. I personally don't expect tech conglomerates to be the ideal solution for niche markets. But I don't see many people providing good arguments why alternatives like Feedly didn't take off if there was really a strong ma…

Yeah. I think what really killed RSS was a change in people's behavior. Twitter, Reddit, and other social media sites gained traction as link sharing communities and RSS became less relevant after that. Instead of subscribing to an RSS feed, you could just follow your favorite sites on Twitter, for example.

Did RSS die???

(I get HN headlines via RSS)

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