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Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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nah man fix the video now you are on hn front page and it takes you all of 5 mins to record a loom

Lol you're not wrong. BUT I do want to take my time with the video. I might be slower than you – it would probably take me an hour+ to tweak it, and find a better song.

Just don't add background music :)

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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I intend to add something similar to InventAI ( https://inventai.xyz ), which is a general purpose creator web app launching soon (MVP). I agree with your vision, it should be possible. Our approaches will likely vary quite a bit though.

Cool! I will check this out! Yea 2023 is going to be an exciting year.

Great, thanks. This year is absolutely crazy regarding AI tech.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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I was going to test this out on an existing repo, but it wasn't clear from the outset that this is next.js only. I have a Create React App repo (with MUI) I'd try this on.

Yes today the bots assume you are connecting to a Next.js 13 app. Bad assumption I know! I am working to add repo a scanner (ChatGPT prompts!) to understand the general tech stack of a connected repo. This will be coming soon.

Why not just let the user select?

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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Great question! So all of the files are generated with either compiles or GPT-3, or if the files already exist on the repo and need to be modified, the bots use GPT-3 code edits to modify the files. $299/project/month will sound expensive if you compare it to starter kits (usually free), templates (usually Also, yea pricing is hard! It may change.

> But I believe Second will feel very close to having a dedicated developer that can build commodity features for you. A “developer” or a “grunt coder”? Or, to use the ~40+ year old terms that even the least trendy places have phased out [0], a programmer/analyst or just a programmer ? [0] Largely because one of the two didn’t really fit into modern development methodologies anymore, since it presumed too narrow of a…

This. Thinking about any of the sizeable apps I develop and maintain, 90% of the job is just thinking of edge cases in the business logic as transmitted to me by the people running the business I'm writing an app for. About 10% is actually coding and testing. While I'm impressed with copilot/GPT's ability to write SQL queries and imitate my coding style to write functions that usually have no obvious bugs, it's the subtle, non-obvious bugs that I'm worried about. Anything it writes demands careful reading and correction - just like anything written by ChatGPT demands a great deal of fact-checking. So much so that it's not really efficient. The idea of reviewing a whole code branch it's written fills me with dread, because who knows where the corner cases are lurking? And when they arise, who knows what else patching them might affect? At least with my own code or code written by humans, I know where things are and can deduce why they were written that way. With copilot, there's no why.

In a sense it's a metaphor for the whole problem of LLMs ... or AI in general. When unlimited compute lets you replace logical deduction with brute force heuristic reduction, it makes it impossible to trace routes and find bugs.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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There's is no AI in it. It just a wrapper to configure boilerplate. There are lots of SaaS boilerplate out there like this (gravity, nodewood). I don't know how simple app like this got approved in YC which has 1-2% acceptance rate.

It had the words AI in it

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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No offense but that demo video is pathetic not to mention the weird background music. Actually, I think the entire thing is way too rushed and you haven't thought this through at all. Are you seriously so desperate to ride this stupid AI hype that you couldn't do a better job at showcasing what the app can actually do? I am sorry for being so critical, but I believe I am right. With a free account, you can do like tw…

> I am sorry for being so critical You should apologize for being disrespectful. There's no reason to attack the founder personally with words like: pathetic, desperate, or insulting their critical thinking by saying "you haven't thought this through at all." You can write an equally critical comment without the vitrol.

I was considering adding a parenthesis that says "I understand you're a human being", but I didn't think I have to. You don't walk into an Apple store to see 2 items on display and the rest wrapped in Christmas boxes.

Furthermore, "Backed by YC" is supposed to mean something, and this kind of a launch is simply watering it down. In fact, there are several YC "AI" backed startups that use lousy marketing terms - "We're better than ChatGPT", and lastly, Launch HN is not something you can do every other day because you forgot something the first time.

He should be able to take my feedback on the chin and correct his mistakes. Not taking care of basic UI principles is the actual disrespect towards me as a customer not me calling him out on it.

Re: Launch HN: Second (YC W23) – AI bots that add features to web apps

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> There are too many things that humans are writing code for that they shouldn’t be. This includes commodity features and integrations like authentication, forgot-password flows, subscription billing, database setup, CRUD pages, collections, data tables, etc. Human developers should be focused on the code that is special to the product. Bots should take care of the gruntwork.

This isn’t grunt work in 99% of web applications - this is THE work.

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