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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by jareklupinski »

I personally don't care about AI generated summaries or anything else that 'enhances the search experience'; can I get a plan that doesn't use those flows and saves you money?

All I ever wanted was to quickly find the source for a tidbit of information I know exists somewhere; I'll draw my own conclusions based on the source

The only reason I switched from Google was because Kagi presented me with what I wanted on page one vs. having to waste time navigating to page two or three of Google results

But over the past few weeks, the blogspam is back, and my reporting seems to do nothing...

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by thiht »

I for one don't mind too much this new pricing. I'm not ready to spend $10/mo in a search engine subscription, but $5/mo hits the spot for me. The only thing I'm not sure is if 200 searches per month is enough, I have no idea how many searches I do but 200 sounds pretty low. 1 search often ends up being 10 searches when you need to tweak the keywords or the quotes.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by sebazzz »

ac29 wrote: post #170
benoliver999 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was finding it hard to justify the current price. This new pricing is madness to me. I think their rationale about the 'average number of searches' is misguided - what about the average number from people who are Kagi users? Those are the ones willing to pay for search, which I'd argue are currently not the 'average internet user'.

In the FAQ they they mention the average Kagi user does 700 searches a month. Perhaps uncoincidentally, the $10/month plan includes exactly that many searches.

I hope it will be possible to transfer unused searches from the current month to the next. If I have 400 in February and 760 in March it would be very annoying to suddenly be forced to pay or need change back to Bing.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by standbythree »

tome wrote: post #95
neoberg wrote: post #94

I am a happy user but just checked my usage and I'll need the 25$ package - which I think is too much for search. I'm cancelling unfortunately.

If you switch to annual billing now then you'll get a year of the old rates for $120. That's what I just did.

That makes sense if you are confident that they will still be in business 12 months from now. In light of these changes, and the number of people saying they will cancel, I don't share that confidence.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by standbythree »

sebazzz wrote: post #173
ac29 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the FAQ they they mention the average Kagi user does 700 searches a month. Perhaps uncoincidentally, the $10/month plan includes exactly that many searches.

I hope it will be possible to transfer unused searches from the current month to the next. If I have 400 in February and 760 in March it would be very annoying to suddenly be forced to pay or need change back to Bing.

It will not be possible.

https://blog.kagi.com/update-kagi-search-pricing#faq (Third question.)

The justification they give seems to be nonsense: "While we understand that this may be inconvenient for some users, it’s important to note that providing free trial accounts and supporting our team members’ salaries requires a delicate balance. "

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by Volundr »

D13Fd wrote: post #143
sorwin wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, for programming, I've had to use Google quite a few times lately. Their raise feature is nice, but always finding stack overflow (because I raised it) on top of ACTUAL documentation for a specific topic kinda ruins it.

>Their raise feature is nice, but always finding stack overflow (because I raised it) on top of ACTUAL documentation for a specific topic kinda ruins it. So you changed the results, and now you are complaining because the results are changed? I don't get it.

I think it makes sense. They boosted stack overflow because they think it's often relevant, but not necessarily always the best resource. But now it's always #1 when oftentimes there is a clearly better resource. They just wanted it to be #2 instead of #10.

Basically they are wishing the boost feature had room for more nuance.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by 10729287 »

One question I ask myself. Does the dependency to Google and Bing APIs been advertised before today ? Can't remember reading that and was genuinely thinking everything was baked in-house (yes I was naive.)

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by [deleted] »

nchie wrote: post #97
shepherdjerred wrote: post #48

I cancelled by Kagi subscription because of this. I don't want to have to pause before I search and think "do I need to search for this? should I look through my bookmarks, notes, etc? is this worth one of the 7 searches my $5 plan will cover for the day?". I've been a frequent user of Kagi for the past ~9 months. Last month I made 1600 searches. I've even 'tipped the difference' (~$70) in the past to support Kagi. I…

I won't be cancelling now as I seem to be averaging a bit more than 1000, meaning pricing will stay about the same since I should get the early adopter subscription. However, the "average amount of searches" they're stating really can't be accurate for any tech savvy user who is using it professionally and privately. It really has to become cheaper, if it doesn't I sadly don't see myself using it long-term.

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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Post by [deleted] »

microtonal wrote: post #36
7vaS7SXdKF wrote: post #33

If the subscription price is not zero, the included searches are not free. In this regard, the wording of the pricing page mockup and this blog post is dishonest - or at the very least inaccurate. Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1200 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. $120/year was already a steep price compared to my other yearly subscription costs: - VPN: §50 -…

Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1100 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. I don't like the changes either, but I don't think this is true. You could get the 1000 searches plan for $10 and then pay-per-search the additional 100 searches.

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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#180

Post by shepherdjerred »

ksec wrote: post #64
shepherdjerred wrote: post #48

I cancelled by Kagi subscription because of this. I don't want to have to pause before I search and think "do I need to search for this? should I look through my bookmarks, notes, etc? is this worth one of the 7 searches my $5 plan will cover for the day?". I've been a frequent user of Kagi for the past ~9 months. Last month I made 1600 searches. I've even 'tipped the difference' (~$70) in the past to support Kagi. I…

Sorry I don’t understand this POV. We know Kagi is losing money on that pricing. ( They have stated it multiple times ). They offer options to donate for those willing to help and chip in. They now updated the pricing model. They gave you extra 300 on top of their current pricing. The extra 600 search will only cost you $9 more, slightly more than what you tipped them. So what is wrong ? And you are supporting their…

You're right that the cost is more or less the same. The problem is that they burned a lot of goodwill.

> The extra 600 search will only cost you $9 more, slightly more than what you tipped them.

I _chose_ to pay more not because I value search at that price, but rather because I liked Kagi and wanted to support them. I'm not going to be forced to pay $20/mo (or whatever it ends up being) for search.

> And you are supporting their browser development.

I tried their browser. I didn't like it.

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