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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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From outside, I found it to be a dubious move myself.

ChatGPT went first, nothing Google does will change that, that's too late. The only thing they can do if they don't want to lose face is the "we didn't make it available because we want to do it well" strategy. It has been used many times by Apple when competitors beat them at some features, so much that it has become a meme at some point, but it worked.

And I've seen hints of Google going in that direction, pointing out things like reliability issues most people came to know about by now, implying that they already can do what ChatGPT can do, but unlike their competitors, they don't release half-assed products.

But their latest announcement breaks everything, they are essentially admitting defeat. They didn't manage to be the first to market, and they can't claim they took their time to release a quality product instead. So it was either a terrible communication blunder, or they really didn't have much choice, with the latter being a real possibility, I understand investors reactions.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Old enough to remember when Google was the plucky newcomer in a crowded search engine industry.

Google wasn't profitable. Like an ant eating the wrong sort of fungus, the advertising companies won and Google's zombified husk carries on.

Cordyceps fungi

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nothing weird about it. It's called first mover's advantage. Wanna make electric cars, you have to beat Tesla. No matter how nice your car is. If your range is worse. Booo. If your self driving is equivalent or worse, Boo. Whatever Tesla has done, you must be better at. You need better design, cheaper price, better range, better reliability else no one would notice you.

Apple came after Blackberry. Dell came after Commodore / Amiga. Facebook came after MySpace. Google came after Altavisa and Yahoo. Verizon came after AOL. Alternating Current came after Direct Current. Microsoft Word came after WordPerfect. Chrome came after Netscape Communicator. Python came after Perl. Nintendo came after Atari. I feel like first movers advantage is a myth.

Apple came after blackberry, but as the parent comment states... you have to be much better and by all accounts the iPhone was much better at things consumers cared about. Dell made better computers. Facebook was nicer than myspace in UI/UX. Google returned superior results.

So their point stands. They have to be much better. And all of these were.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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It depends on the definition what "first" means. For example Amazon Kindle was not the first eReader. But its platform-ecosystem was years sooner than Barnes & Nobles Nook and Kindle won out. Amazon itself is technically a "second mover" because there was an obscure online book shop before, but no one else from the established sales companies or Walmart could compete with them. Tesla was not the first electric car. B…

Incumbent companies have huge advantages, and it takes a lot to dislodge them even with new technology (as in your Amazon example.) Basically they have to be unwilling to match competitors' tech over a long period of time. In my life I've seen that happen a handful of times. When it does, it's usually due to (1) tragic management ineptitude over an extended period of time, or (2) fear of cannibalizing an existing pro…

Kodak actually had one of the first digital cameras, and the company still exists. And automotive OEMs are investing heavily into EVs, and they do this comparatively fast for companies of the size we are talking about.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nothing weird about it. It's called first mover's advantage. Wanna make electric cars, you have to beat Tesla. No matter how nice your car is. If your range is worse. Booo. If your self driving is equivalent or worse, Boo. Whatever Tesla has done, you must be better at. You need better design, cheaper price, better range, better reliability else no one would notice you.

Apple came after Blackberry. Dell came after Commodore / Amiga. Facebook came after MySpace. Google came after Altavisa and Yahoo. Verizon came after AOL. Alternating Current came after Direct Current. Microsoft Word came after WordPerfect. Chrome came after Netscape Communicator. Python came after Perl. Nintendo came after Atari. I feel like first movers advantage is a myth.

I think you confirmed what he was saying.

All of those products that came after are better than the first movers. If Apple was worse than BB, do you think it would have won?

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Nothing weird about it. It's called first mover's advantage. Wanna make electric cars, you have to beat Tesla. No matter how nice your car is. If your range is worse. Booo. If your self driving is equivalent or worse, Boo. Whatever Tesla has done, you must be better at. You need better design, cheaper price, better range, better reliability else no one would notice you.

Apple came after Blackberry. Dell came after Commodore / Amiga. Facebook came after MySpace. Google came after Altavisa and Yahoo. Verizon came after AOL. Alternating Current came after Direct Current. Microsoft Word came after WordPerfect. Chrome came after Netscape Communicator. Python came after Perl. Nintendo came after Atari. I feel like first movers advantage is a myth.

Every single one of those things you just listed is an improvement in one or more ways (to the average user.) So I really don’t see your point at all

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Everything has to be turned up to 11 today because too many people think they won't get enough attention if they actually label something as severe/important as it actually is.

Think about it, we stopped watching traditional news, then shunned news that was too slow because twitter was faster though sometimes wrong. so traditional news media was like "aight, bet" and now we are where we are. the trump era fully solidified that the more ragetastic you can make your title, the more people tribe up and engage in the comments so your one shitty little 30 second article now has people mobbing to…

Traditional news invented it. "More on this amazing story after these messages" - everything was formatted to keep you around through the next commercial break. The internet didn't have to do that since you were seeing ads inline, so the news was more useful. But then the internet realized if you sensationalize... etc etc.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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(Disclaimer: Google employee, I don’t work on Bard, views my own, etc.) I don’t think either Bing Chat or Bard is ready to be released widely. You need a certain mindset to be able to wring value out of them, and most normal users will not think this way. That being said, it’s probably fine to release these tools to enthusiastic early adopters who understand how to use them.

I think Google internally has a different perception as to the quality of their services vs. the general public and especially tech enthusiasts. Your comment about 'a certain mindset' reminds me that I still[1] have to do exactly that when using Google to try to find anything.

Also, whatever happened to just slapping 'beta' on the product and calling it good to roll out? I'm only half kidding as the issue wasn't that products were labeled 'beta', it's that they seemingly never came out of beta.

[1] Actually even more so today than pre-ML Google since the services now are constantly (incorrectly) deciding that what I'm asking for isn't actually what I want.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Has sundar been a good CEO otherwise?

I feel like there is no vision for the future of Android there except chasing the iPhone. In the early part of the last decade, Android had its own identity which was part of the reason I used it. When it lost that, I moved to iPhone.

What do you mean by "its own identity"?

If you're saying that Android and iPhone/iOS are very similar, that seems like a good thing?

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