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Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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Let me put it this way. If I were to hire an engineer that writes 10x more code than the next, but all the code needs to be rewritten after a year because he made some very questionable decisions, I would definitely fire that guy. Similarly, if I hire a CEO who hires 20,000 people, then lays 12,000 off after a year, I would have to question his ability as the head of the company. It is not about being able to predict…

Alphabet is absolutely posting troublesome trends in their revenue reports. Google ad results down, YouTube results down two quarters in a row… That’s what pays the bills at Alphabet.

I mean, the trend is downwards... If you take the anomaly of 2020-2021 into account [0]

Also, revenue is not down. Growth is. Apparently, we live in this stupid dystopia where growth is more important than money, even for gargantuan companies like Alphabet. How are they planning on growing at a >10% rate YoY forever?

[0] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/reve...

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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Regardless of individual opinions on whether CEOs should be terminated for layoffs or not - there's a surprising amount of comments here that seem to not understand that growing companies don't hire for today, but for where they want to be tomorrow. Where you want to be tomorrow is based on where you and your investors believe the world is going. If the world materially changes enough to shift your expectations about…

It is a very odd discussion to have since, even when running a company well, no public company should be compensating its CEO to the tune of even 1 million a year. It is absolutely a ruling class leeching off society that this happens. It doesn't happen everywhere or even in america in the past, big companies can be run without this behavior. It isn't supply and demand, it is cronyism.

Should a CEO be allowed to get calls wrong, sure. Should they get paid 200 million when they do? No. Should they get paid 200 million ever? No.

Shareholders should be suing every company that does this until it stops, imho.

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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None of this addresses the responsibility part.

Who holds the ceo responsible? The board. If the board themselves would have made the same hiring calls, it's unlikely they could fault the ceo for making those calls as well. By extension -- who doesn't hold the ceo responsible? The court of public opinion, which is what all of these comments and articles spilling barrels of ink on this issue think should be the case, but is not actually the case (and for obviously…

But they operate in a democracy, and part of a healthy democracy is having policy debates in public, exactly like this.

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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> On the face of it, it was obvious If it was obvious, then the market would have priced it in. But it didn't. So the crowdsourced collective wisdom was indeed that industries were leaping 5-10 years into the future overnight. That was the thing that was "obvious" to most people. You may have disagreed at the time, and if you'd shorted stocks you could have made some money. But the idea that "on the face of it, it wa…

> If it was obvious, then the market would have priced it in. Bubbles don’t exist? I’m sorry, but to paraphrase an old quote, the market’s can remain irrational, longer than your faith in a rational market.

Yeah, markets can be irrational, and markets know it, and play crazy games over themselves.

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

#175

Regardless of individual opinions on whether CEOs should be terminated for layoffs or not - there's a surprising amount of comments here that seem to not understand that growing companies don't hire for today, but for where they want to be tomorrow. Where you want to be tomorrow is based on where you and your investors believe the world is going. If the world materially changes enough to shift your expectations about…

It is a very odd discussion to have since, even when running a company well, no public company should be compensating its CEO to the tune of even 1 million a year. It is absolutely a ruling class leeching off society that this happens. It doesn't happen everywhere or even in america in the past, big companies can be run without this behavior. It isn't supply and demand, it is cronyism. Should a CEO be allowed to get…

Isn't it up to the shareholders to decide this?

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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Alphabet is absolutely posting troublesome trends in their revenue reports. Google ad results down, YouTube results down two quarters in a row… That’s what pays the bills at Alphabet.

I mean, the trend is downwards... If you take the anomaly of 2020-2021 into account [0] Also, revenue is not down. Growth is. Apparently, we live in this stupid dystopia where growth is more important than money, even for gargantuan companies like Alphabet. How are they planning on growing at a >10% rate YoY forever ? [0] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/reve...

You cited Alphabet revenue, not advertising or YouTube revenue.

> Google’s parent company, reported $59 billion in advertising revenue for the fourth quarter, a decrease of 3.6% from the same period in 2021. Those results marked the second time ad sales fell since Google became a publicly traded company in 2004.

> Google’s video platform, YouTube, recorded a second straight quarter of declining revenue for the three months through Dec. 31, with sales retreating 7.8% from the year-earlier period to $8 billion.

Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/alphabet-google-googl-q4-earnin...

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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Regardless of individual opinions on whether CEOs should be terminated for layoffs or not - there's a surprising amount of comments here that seem to not understand that growing companies don't hire for today, but for where they want to be tomorrow. Where you want to be tomorrow is based on where you and your investors believe the world is going. If the world materially changes enough to shift your expectations about…

Stepping back from any emotional assessment, the growth of these businesses was not commensurate with the hiring. You can look at both the financial reporting and the economic indicators from that period and a reasonable measure of growth was warranted but not at the level these companies [edited from "comments"] hired at. It was more of an irrational tragedy of the commons, where companies were hiring because they w…

This is an interesting take, and on the surface I'd buy this. I think the assessment from many companies was "we're hiring because of where the world is clearly going" (ecom sustains a 20% lift overnight, healthcare sees a 37x increase in telemedicine use, etc), but perhaps a lot of this was just "we want the talent because other people want the talent."

I'll definitely dig into this take further!

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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This is the measured take. What happens if the COVID lockdown demand surge happens and companies don’t hire? Customers don’t get what they want. Businesses that want to move online can’t or have a worse experience. The companies themselves are under-resourced for the actual demand and can’t invest in the future of their business because they’re struggling to keep the lights on. I understand people are pissed about la…

Why hire and not use contractors.

The bets were long-term.

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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All the CEOs are just saying they are taking the full responsibility without any consequences, not even reducing their pay which is hypocratic. At the least, they have to really tell how they are taking the responsibility not just words!

For a CEO "taking responsibility" means laying people off to protect shareholder profits and taking heat from the media to protect other stakeholders from criticism. That's what they are paid so much money to do- someone making a normal salary isn't likely to take the initiative to cut thousands of jobs for the sake of the company.

A CEO doesn't have any obligation to the workers; they are beholden to the company.

Re: Tech CEOs Should Be Held Accountable, or Even Fired, Amid Layoffs

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Was it rational given the information we had at the time to think we would sustain that kind of rapid growth, the public health emergency wouldn't end, we wouldn't get inflation from the supply chain issues and the money printing?

What is the cost benefit for acting or not acting? Everybody seems to be treating this as a binary decision which it is not. When running a business, it can be entirely reasonable to invest in something you think is unlikely to actually happen if the potential reward times the low chance is greater than the cost. If you strip away all the bad armchair economics, I think what people are really upset about is the idea…

I think this sums it up perfectly. Companies are wrong all the time. They kill product lines, often times even shed customer revenue, to avoid having to further invest in a space that doesn't make sense.

The real question is "should we tolerate shedding jobs" and it's an interesting question. Without stating a personal opinion on the matter, it's interesting to think about how drastically this would shift the economic structure of the nation if the answer was "no"

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