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Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Post by mistrial9 »

pyuser583 wrote: post #157
mistrial9 wrote: post #103

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more than a hundred years ago, the USA was not a large world power.. more than half the country was frontier and a lot of raw agriculture that is dependent on labor. When the 'red' social flames burned through Europe at the end of the Great Monarchies, political people here in the USA were seriously worried. So an ugly deal was forged.. the hardcore lefts were jailed and harassed and beaten.. and insider right wing g…

Another interpretation is that the New Deal institutionalized labor. Labor got a seat at the table in exchange for removing radical elements.

new movie out -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irishman

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Post by chinchilla2020 »

fHr wrote: post #72
pxue wrote: post #13

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As a small government advocate, i have no issue with labor boards. the alternative is violence or unionization, neither of which are optimal in resolving disputes like these in a civilized and efficient manner.

Unionization is amazing. I do not know why especially people in US are so against this. Did they just gave up and are okay with the big corps fucking them over withouth having any leverage?

The union can be good or bad. I'm a former IBEW member.

The reality is that you are adding a lot of extra 'management' on top of the existing company management when you bring in a union. At the end of the day, a union is a business and it is a profit-seeking business. Employees have to raise a massive fuss and get momentum from members in the union to receive any sort of defense from the union for their grievances.

The rotation aspect is also annoying. If you enjoy a particular job, you are forced to rotate out so that other members can have a chance. The juiciest roles always seem to go to the senior members. If you an apprentice, you just have to take what you get, and endure whatever hazing, teasing, and abuse you receive (tech workers jaws would hit the floor if they witnessed what I lived through).

At the end of the day you have to remember that there is one pie. Everyone wants a piece of the pie... management, employees, and union. Adding more overhead and more bosses is not always an effective way of getting more pie to the employees.

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Post by geraldwhen »

neverartful wrote: post #4

Banks have been doing this for decades. If you're not a VP within 3 months some may wonder if something is wrong with you.

It’s just pay bands and it’s different per company. At some financial institutions, everyone is a VP, except maybe the call center and retail associates.

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Post by geraldwhen »

gitfan86 wrote: post #158
ajmurmann wrote: post #30

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It's not "flexible" either. It's "non-accrued". The only reason it's non-accrued is so that the company doesn't have to pay you left over PTO when you leave the company and gets it off their books. Everything else is a euphemism to make employees feel good about getting fewer benefits. You could have this flexibility with accrued PTO. I've previously given employees additional, off-the-books time off because they nee…

I don't want accrued benefits. That means that someone owes me 1000s of dollars and I cannot have that debt honored unless I quit my job? I generally try to work at places that value my contributions but do not try to micromanage me. If I want/need to take time off, I do. If at some point I'm taking off so much time that they no longer feel that I'm contributing enough to the company, then fine they can let me go.

I’ve always worked at accrued vacation companies, but it was never really an issue. You can take vacation in January if you want, although if you blow your whole vacation in January and quit in February I suppose that could cause problems.

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Post by acdha »

kennend3 wrote: post #107
acdha wrote: post #96

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To the extent that the government wastes money, why should we believe that's due to a union and not unrelated issues such as outside politics?

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal-union-wants-4... You tell us, is a 47% increase in pay "normal"? why did the body intended to help with the negotiations write this: The union’s proposals “do not appear realistic for what should be a fairly advanced stage of negotiations. The numerous proposals are not focused and they would result in an increase to compensation far beyond what is reasonable,” reads the…

You can’t say whether that’s unfair or not without looking at where they’re starting from. Did they have long pay freezes under past austerity programs? Has the cost of living increased significantly in the primary areas they work? (e.g. how much would a Vancouver school teacher’s pay needed to have gone up over the last 20 years just to live in comparable housing?)

Given that PSAC are asking for 4.5% raises during a period of high inflation I’m skeptical that this is that unreasonable rather than that there’s political hay to be made claiming it is. If they haven’t had cost of living increases for a while, they’ve already effectively had a pay cut.

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Post by ak_111 »

nixgeek wrote: post #25

I’ve noticed that in larger technology companies there has also been a trend towards getting a “Manager” title but leading a team of 1-2 people. Maybe there will be intent to grow this to 3-4 people or more in future years, but that hinders giving others a title and their own small team (which can be considered career progression). Then you might see another leader (Manager of Managers, or “MoM”) who has 5 of these s…

It is getting even worse where you are seeing increase of “head of…” titles, my friend just became “head of performance analytics” at an online media company and he is the only one in his “team” (so technically his title is vacuously true as logicians would say :D ).

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Post by smegger001 »

fHr wrote: post #72
pxue wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a small government advocate, i have no issue with labor boards. the alternative is violence or unionization, neither of which are optimal in resolving disputes like these in a civilized and efficient manner.

Unionization is amazing. I do not know why especially people in US are so against this. Did they just gave up and are okay with the big corps fucking them over withouth having any leverage?

Because many American labor unions became infiltrated by the mafia giving them a bad rep.

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Post by drewcoo »

HEmanZ wrote: post #102
hourago wrote: post #26

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> the alternative is violence or unionization, neither of which are optimal in resolving disputes like these in a civilized and efficient manner. Unionization is a great way of solving disputes. Many big corporations need to be counter-weight with some other big organization. To put violence and unions at the same level seems uncalled for.

Unionization can have serious problems/risks. I this case, where the business is literally breaking the law, there is no need to get a union involved. Wage theft is illegal. It should be treated as a legal issue where the state gets involved and uses its monopoly on force to enforce the law. That's what the state is there for. [Aside, putting violence at the same level as unions: I've been around a union, while worki…

Labor laws didn't happen because of noble-minded politicians or kind-hearted captains of industry.

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Post by drewcoo »

JamesBarney wrote: post #129
hourago wrote: post #43

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> I know one union that was perfectly happy letting government workers make sox figures while "working" from home, while they produced objectively zero work over a period of months. "Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles" is fraud. If you do not like unions because ONE did something that you do not like , how much do you hate companies were you have thousands of examples of bad…

On hackernews most of the complaints I see about unions are people who've had direct experience with unions. My experience with unions was they were shady, jobs were given out based on nepotism, work was given out solely based on seniority and most work you did for them involved kickbacks.

We must read different HNs. Most of the what I see is anti-union FUD from people raised on horror stories about unions but without any actual contact with them except for possibly being inconvenienced by someone else's strike.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

throwaway181747 wrote: post #90

Much like how coders like to call themselves "engineers" - a term that has actual accreditation and certifications attached to it, but somehow not in the computer science space, weird.

CSE is a degree at many colleges not unlikely the other Engineering sciences (ChemE, MechE, etc.)

Edit: also, there's some muddy waters where you have a degree in engineering (civil, chemical, etc.) but aren't technically an "engineer" unless you have state certification, which is a separate process; but you would nevertheless consider yourself an "engineer"

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