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Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by soerxpso »

HellzStormer wrote: post #149
rbanffy wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> strains my assumption of good faith debate regarding their ethics. Let's flip the argument upside down. Let's imagine you want to produce porn content, but don't want to be recognized. This technology allows that.

Side note about that: people doing amateur porn where their face doesn't show at all still get recognized because of particular marks on their skins. So this might help this very specific case, but maybe not as much as one would think.

It's trivial to use Stable Diffusion img2img with low noise to change the marks on your skin.

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by soerxpso »

mrparrot wrote: post #157
pjc50 wrote: post #105

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This is not how humans work. False statements about someone damage that person, even once everybody knows they're false.

But with this argument you could blackmail someone whether or not you have some evidence.

You indeed can. Any of your coworkers can report you to HR right now for allegedly saying to them in private that you find underaged boys attractive. Wouldn't that at least be quite stressful to you?

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by ShowalkKama »

ideamotor wrote: post #21
qthrowayq0909 wrote: post #13

Tangent, but I think things like that will spell the end of remote working and remote interviewing.

Most people will follow the social norm of not doing this. Until that norm is broken. Perhaps the first successful presidential candidate that is revealed to be virtual will be the event that changes things.

I vote waldo

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by theshrike79 »

bondarchuk wrote: post #151
cwillu wrote: post #18

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From the main page: “Communication groups [...] • mrdeepfakes - the biggest NSFW English deepfake community”, which strains my assumption of good faith debate regarding their ethics.

If someone makes a deepfake on their own computer, watches it, and doesn't share it with anybody, I don't see how that's markedly different (morally) from just imagining the same thing. Some people have a very strong visual imagination and others don't have it at all, it's only fair if they can use a technological substitute. Also some entertainment works by artificially instilling a desire which cannot be fulfilled.…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphantasia is a real thing and affects about 4% of people.

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by noAnswer »

amarant wrote: post #164

Lots of comments here and in the GitHub thread claiming there are no legitimate uses for this, so I thought I'd drop a legitimate use just to have an example: I saw an unrelated article today where someone had used some deepfake technology to change the spoken language of an actor. Imagine what that would mean for dubbed movies/TV if it gets good enough. There are legit usecases, and that justifies the technologies e…

> Imagine what that would mean for dubbed movies/TV if it gets good enough.

In Germany everything is dubbed. Never have I cared about the mouth movement. It's all about the voice and the voice acting. But ok, it will be used at everything, and everyone will get used to the fake.

Still, it is (not will, already is) mostly used for revenge porn, synthetic CP and CEO fraud.

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by [deleted] »

KyeRussell wrote: post #152
KyeRussell wrote: post #148

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You’re speaking to the wrong audience. “Someone else would do it anyway” is how everyone here justifies doing unethical shit at FAANG and refusing to earn less than $300k/yr base because “that’s just the industry”. I have no respect for anyone that says this shit with a straight face.

It should also be said that anyone that makes this argument immediately loses their right to complain when governments need to step in and regulate.

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Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by noAnswer »

jablala wrote: post #127

What utterly horrible minds in that comment thread. The justification that other bad things happen means we can reasonably create more evil is disgusting. Those posses a complete lack of a moral compass.

Joseph Weizenbaum once said to the question (paraphrasing) "If I don't develop evil/unethical thing Z, someone else will." with: "In city X every day there is rape and if I don't do it, someone else will." Showing how stupid this line of reasoning is.

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by proto-n »

Here's what I would have answered to the OP in the link:

This technology is going to be developed regardless of what we do here. Please realize that you are not advocating for it not to be developed: rather, you are advocating for it not to be developed in the open.

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by lovemenot »

saurik wrote: post #24
ano88888 wrote: post #7

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Right. When that chaos happen, just remember that you will not be safe from it

I am already not safe from it, but it is less obvious because people like to think the technology doesn't exist merely because it is kind of expensive.

Thank you saurik for what you have done ... and if appropriate for what you have chosen not to do.

Re: Stop developing this technology

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Post by bondarchuk »

noAnswer wrote: post #177
jablala wrote: post #127

What utterly horrible minds in that comment thread. The justification that other bad things happen means we can reasonably create more evil is disgusting. Those posses a complete lack of a moral compass.

Joseph Weizenbaum once said to the question (paraphrasing) "If I don't develop evil/unethical thing Z, someone else will." with: "In city X every day there is rape and if I don't do it, someone else will." Showing how stupid this line of reasoning is.

But that's stupid, if he does it there is MORE rape.
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