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I like the ESV and Crossway publishes a Reader's Edition exactly like this: https://www.crossway.org/bibles/esv-readers-bible-cob/
That does look amazing, thank you for the link. Unfortunately for me it doesn't contain the deuterocanonical books ("apocrypha") which for me are important to have.
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For the interested do you have a set of sources?
Pretty representative material. Of course various people differ in detail. https://independent.academia.edu/RichardCarrier Unfortunately he really would rather you buy his books than read his blog posts, so they are hard to search. https://bibleinterp.arizona.edu/articles/2014/08/car388028 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTllC7TbM8M
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That does look amazing, thank you for the link. Unfortunately for me it doesn't contain the deuterocanonical books ("apocrypha") which for me are important to have.
Crossway does publish the ESV with apocrypha. I think there must be a Reader's Edition with them somewhere.
I'll have to take another look, last I checked i couldn't find one meeting my specifications but I may have missed something. Thanks!
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#175Most Bible translations remove the tetragrammaton, anyone familiar with whether or not it appears in copies of the Torah? Many Christian denominations simply don’t acknowledge its existence.
The Tetragammatron is important to Christianity. John 8:58 is generally read as Jesus invoking it in an explicit claim of self‐divinity.
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He was doing the best he could, given Babel. The whole thing, going all the way back to the Fall, was necessarily and inescapably imperfect. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient God create such a mess, you ask? A lot of theological ink has been spilled on that question, but I think the consensus was that it was the best that could be done, given a (theological) concept of free will. The alternative was for God to c…
that seems pretty antithetical to the concept of 'all powerful'. It doesn't seem like god is too concerned with free will anyway, at least according to the bible. If you read the story of pharoah and moses, it is clear that god tramps all over pharoah's free will. The story goes that after every plague, "and god hardened pharoah's heart"... which means pharaoh didn't have the free will to let the Israelites go, inste…
Not every plague. In the first five plagues, the language “Pharaoh’s heart hardened” or “Pharaoh hardened his heart” is used.
As one would expect, Christians often use this to argue that the latter plagues resulting in loss of life would not have occurred had Pharaoh relented early on.
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Yeah, it's actually one of the last sentences in the New Testament - Revelations 22:18. Jesus did his best to tone down the fire and brimstone, but the Abrahamic god is not a particularly forgiving one.
What's interesting about that is it's obviously only referring to the book of Revelations itself, since "The Bible" as such didn't even exist at the time, if it isn't a late addition. Yet Christians apply it to scripture as a whole. Also, IIRC, Revelations almost didn't even make it into the Biblical canon, like a lot of other apocryphal books it was considered too crazy for the mainstream.
I mean. some do, but, that’s hardly the only position.
http://actsapologist.blogspot.com/2016/05/how-does-catholic-...
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I think Judaism and Islam have more in common with each other than with Christianity. Christianity's belief in the divinity of Jesus is shared by neither other religion. The Jewish jurist Maimonides ruled that Christians were idol worshipers because of their belief in the trinity and Muslims were not (Menachem Meiri rules otherwise). But more than that, in terms of practice, Muslims and Jews share a great deal. Prayi…
> Muslims and Jews share a great deal. Praying in a certain direction. Praying several times a day. Specific dietary requirements, including banning pork. Christian churches face the East. Christian clerics and devout laypersons pray the Liturgy of the Hours daily. Finally many Christians observe religious dietary requirements involving fasting and abstinence from meat.
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He was doing the best he could, given Babel. The whole thing, going all the way back to the Fall, was necessarily and inescapably imperfect. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient God create such a mess, you ask? A lot of theological ink has been spilled on that question, but I think the consensus was that it was the best that could be done, given a (theological) concept of free will. The alternative was for God to c…
that seems pretty antithetical to the concept of 'all powerful'. It doesn't seem like god is too concerned with free will anyway, at least according to the bible. If you read the story of pharoah and moses, it is clear that god tramps all over pharoah's free will. The story goes that after every plague, "and god hardened pharoah's heart"... which means pharaoh didn't have the free will to let the Israelites go, inste…
I am familiar with an explanation for this: the "hardening" was just a reinforcement of what was already there. God didn't make the pharaoh's heart this way from the start. He was already disinclined to let the Israel go, as per his ability to choose freely. Hardening of the heart was just letting him dig in deeper in his conviction (or, if he chose differently, to distance himself away from the old position).
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> (A quick search will find you people telling you not to use the King James translation.) Most of them are bad reasons - for example, one very popular criticism is the claim that KJV invented the usage of the word "unicorn" in the Bible, and it's actually a wild ox. But it was traditionally translated that way from the time of the Latin Vulgate, and nobody knows for sure what a re'em is. [Ed - it turns out the Septu…
> You certainly miss out on a lot of poetry and historical citations if you skip out on the KJV, and there's very few actual problems with it. Looking at the KJV's book of Revelation, it contains all the errors that Erasmus's Greek manuscript for the book of Revelation has. It's a terrible, and often invented, translation of that book. It's not just a few problems with a word here or there, it's part translation, and…
https://biblehub.com/akjv/revelation/22.htm https://biblehub.com/niv/revelation/22.htm
As you can see, it says "book" when it should say "tree."
You can compare KJV with the NIV and other editions. To say parts of the book were "invented" in the 16th century is going a few steps too far. It would be better to say that we now have a manuscript which we believe is probably better in that it is likely more faithful to the original...but which is not really substantially any different from the textus receptus. Revelation has very few Greek sources and they do contain variants, but precisely because of the lack of sources it's difficult to make strong claims about what is or isn't correct.
[Ed - and it looks like book vs life is also entirely defensible after googling it - if it is an error, it is a very very old error, dating back at least to the 300s, and book does make theological sense - it would be far from the only reference to the book of life.)