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Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what he’s proposing Sure, but as usual (just like the cellular automata business) Wolfram gives/has the impression that he is discussing something novel . And it ain’t novel, to say nothing of the fact that it is also a fairly obvious thing to do. Symbolic AI folks are not taking this LM business well. They are all coping.

How is the guy who says "combine symbolic with probabilistic" the one who is "coping" with his system not being powerful enough, but the team who deployed a bot that is almost always wrong, is not "coping"?

You're right. How could I know this? I have formed an opinion about a person I have never personally met. Mea culpa. My impression then is that Stephan Wolfram, in spite of his considerable and quite & justifiably impressive brain, refuses to apply the necessary corrective measures to adjust for the fact of the existence of external agencies in the world when formulating his personal theory of the world.

> a bot that is almost always wrong

"It’s always amazing when things suddenly “just work”. It happened to us with Wolfram|Alpha back in 2009. It happened with our Physics Project in 2020. And it’s happening now with OpenAI’s ChatGPT. "

It is possible I missed the widespread excitement about Wolfram|Alpha and Project Physics. The former did make waves in geek circles, I remember that. The latter did not make it to the New York Times, did it?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Wolfram%7Calpha+stephan+wolf...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Project%20Physics%20stephan%...

https://www.google.com/search?q=ChatGPT

Coping with that, in his specific case.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#172

>how far is it from chicago to tokyo Google hilariously assumes I want Harajuku Chicago Shimokitazawa, 5 Chome-32-5 Daizawa, Setagaya City, Tokyo 155-0032, Japan to Tokyo, Japan 13 min (4.3 km) via 茶沢通り And yes, I'm nowhere near Japan.

Is that hilarious? I actually think it's a semi-reasonable assumption. You're far more likely to want location directions than straight-line distances between arbitrary cities on Earth.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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When I ask it the same questions my results are different:

Q: What Is the distance from Chicago to Tokyo? A: The distance from Chicago, United States to Tokyo, Japan is approximately 8,113 miles (13,055 kilometers) if you were to fly in a straight line. It takes approximately 15 hours of flight to reach from Chicago to Tokyo.

Which is fun because it is also wrong, but gives a different incorrect value.

Q: What is 3 to the power 73?

A: 3 to the power 73 is equal to 3 raised to the 73rd power, which can be calculated by multiplying 3 by itself 73 times. 3^73 = 3 * 3 * 3 * ... (73 times) = 3 * 3 * ... * 3 (73 times) = 1.43382043e+22 So 3 to the power 73 is approximately 1.43382043e+22

Also incorrect but a different value. If I change the question slightly, for example, by dropping a question mark or saying "Three to the power OF 73" It also gives a slightly different incorrect answer.

What I find really interesting here is that if I ask it the exact same question it gives the exact same result. But then if I open up a new instance, it will give a different incorrect answer, and repeat the incorrect answer again only if the question is identical.

Edit: This could be a decent method of fact checking for anyone determined to use chatGPT; phrase the question slightly differently and compare the results (never input the exact same question twice).

Interestingly, it now correctly outputs Honduras for the second largest country in South America, but if you ask it to list them by size it will get most of the rest incorrect.

My own experimentation with ChatGPT made me dismiss it, but I was asking it comparatively difficult questions about linear algebra and programming. I'm kind of shocked it fails at these basic questions I would have thought it would be more than capable of handling.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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One general comment I'll give to this.

Combining neural networks (like ChatGPT) and logical (like Wolfram Alpha) AI systems has been the aim of many people for 30 years. If someone manages it well, it will be a massive step forward for AI, probably bigger than the progress made by the GPTs so far.

However, while there are lots of ideas, no-one knows how to do it (that I know of), and unlike the GPTs, it isn't a problem that can be solved by just throwing more computing power at it.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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post #84

I am always slightly in awe of the clarity of Wolfram's thought and communication skills. 63 years old, rich as a king, and yet you can just feel his energy as he digs into this incredible, magical new toy while he takes notes from his treadmill desk or outdoor walking setup (1) :). The entire article feels contributory, non jealous, complimentary and objective given the position he is writing from. I feel like Wolfr…

I'm with you there.

I started using Mathematica 22 years ago, during first year of college. I've worked as a professional Python developer for slightly less time (18 years). I've built tons of systems in Python, and none in Mathematica, yet Mathematica remains as the best option as a "bicycle for the mind", and that's thanks to the coherent vision of Wolfram research and perhaps Wolfram himself.

One thing to add is that Wolfram, as you said, has money. That means he doesn't spend his days fixing bugs in a devops pipeline and questioning his life choices while a scrum master impishly consumes his days on Earth with inanity. He has time to think about stuff, to explore ideas, and he has already explored quite a bit, and has a breath of understanding of math, physics and a few other sciences that the average machine learning engineer simply doesn't have.

So, yeah, I'm a Python fanboy, but honor where honor is due.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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post #81
post #71

This couldn’t be a more definitive comparison of what ChatGPT isn’t good at. WolframAlpha was released in 2009 but why isn’t it getting the same sexy accolades and valuation as ChatGPT?

Because most people have no clue it exists. I became aware of it in university and use it for all kinds of queries all the time. There's things made for Google and things made for WA. And now there's things made for ChatGPT. But lots of techies hate WA and so there's not much word of mouth for it outside of academia. Also most people want funny stuff, like writing jokes or songs, they don't actually want useful infor…

> But lots of techies hate WA

How could any "techie" possibly hate Wolfram Alpha?

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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“ Finally, and suddenly, here’s a system that can successfully generate text about almost anything—that’s very comparable to what humans might write. It’s impressive, and useful. And, as I’ll discuss elsewhere, I think its success is probably telling us some very fundamental things about the nature of human thinking.”

I think that being able to analyze, preprocess and remix a huge corpus of human-authored text on all subjects is altogether a different type of “intelligence” than actually understanding the subject.

In some cases, it can approach understanding and actually demonstrate it. In others, it gets things woefully wrong - such as when it claims bears are larger than elephants and shows figures to back it up that prove the exact opposite. (I asked if a bear could eat an elephant.)

As I started to ask ChatGPT the same question with different parameters, I saw the Mad Libs side of it. (Simply replacing text in various positions.) It has a TON of that.

Also I don’t know how much its many, many human handlers massaged the basic structures, eg “why is this joke funny” etc. That kind of stuff is the type of Artificial Intelligence that all science and technology is - many hands work on software and we ship the next version. That is itself an intelligent process.

HOWEVER, what I am really looking forward to is “chain of reasoning” advances. Can anyone point me to those?

Also, has Cyc gone anywhere? Wolfram should be aware of that project.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Code generation isn't going anywhere. No/low code platforms are great for some subset of users, but there will always be people who want total control to differentiate themselves, since differentiation is how you get customers in a sea of competitors. That total control requires code of some sort. Additionally, even if 95% are on platforms, the platforms are on code, and being able to rapidly iterate your platform co…

Code is a tool for businesses, and while it's a tool that can enable you to do anything you can imagine, it is an expensive tool for businesses to do anything they can imagine... and how many businesses need to be able to do anything they can imagine? The cost of code is huge, not only do you need competent software engineers to write the code, but first you need people who can translate business requirements into te…

I agree. For example, I’ve often been annoyed at how dismissive engineers can be of something like Excel.

Excel is an example of something that gives you something more or less adjacent to “real” code, with a substantially less steep learning curve. Can it do everything that C++ can? No, of course not, but I don’t think most businesses need all the power of C++.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#179

>how far is it from chicago to tokyo Google hilariously assumes I want Harajuku Chicago Shimokitazawa, 5 Chome-32-5 Daizawa, Setagaya City, Tokyo 155-0032, Japan to Tokyo, Japan 13 min (4.3 km) via 茶沢通り And yes, I'm nowhere near Japan.

Is that hilarious? I actually think it's a semi-reasonable assumption. You're far more likely to want location directions than straight-line distances between arbitrary cities on Earth.

Bad assumption. I just logged into a very separate Google account and did the same query. Result:

6,298 mi Distance from Chicago to Tokyo

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#180
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because most people have no clue it exists. I became aware of it in university and use it for all kinds of queries all the time. There's things made for Google and things made for WA. And now there's things made for ChatGPT. But lots of techies hate WA and so there's not much word of mouth for it outside of academia. Also most people want funny stuff, like writing jokes or songs, they don't actually want useful infor…

> But lots of techies hate WA How could any "techie" possibly hate Wolfram Alpha?

I'm not sure but if you read HN threads they all complain that he is full of himself. I think he built a cool product / company and don't know him so I don't pass judgment myself.
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