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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by flumpcakes »

Manuel_D wrote: post #99
tester457 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still, people did not consent to their art to be trained on. Just like how it is a bad idea to train github copilot on copyrighted code, or how the same company that made Stable Diffusion promised that they will not use copyrighted music for training (because they're scared of the music industry), copyrighted art should not be used on training sets without permission. This is going to cause a lawsuit somewhere down t…

Do people need to consent for other artists to use their work as references when painting? That seems pretty analogous to training an AI on a corpus of artwork.

Why do we make analogies to people? Machines have no rights of expression or inherent freedoms. There is no "learning", we're not "teaching" the machine anything. It boils down to heuristics and statistics. Imagine we're in the 1930s with no computers: If I were to study every every Agatha Christie book and write my own based on statistical likelihoods of words, characters, plot elements etc. I would be seen as a copy-cat hack-fraud author or worse. If I were to take inspiration of the crime/thriller/detective genre and write my own story in my own universe then I would be simply an author within the same genre.

ChatGPT/"ML" copy the fine details. We're getting artists signatures turn up in generated work... That's not inspiration, and I would argue not even transformative.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by cma »

splatzone wrote: post #119
bufferoverflow wrote: post #106

And that's the argument I've been making. Once you can't tell the difference between AI-made art and human-made art, the demand for human-made art will dramatically decrease, especially in the commercial areas. If it takes a human a month to paint something beautiful, and 1 minute for AI, it's really hard to compete with AI. The best we have is Midjourney V4, and it's getting quite close.

This is why I believe we’ll soon see a huge increase in the popularity of ‘physical’ art. Theatre, sculpture, dance… in a world overflowing with computer made images and sounds, things which can only be human-made will be all the more special.

There are AI approaches that generate images one brush stroke at a time. I can imagine that going from that to a robot arm laying them down on physical medium if it isn't already a widespread thing.

Disney uses a robot Spiderman stunt double to be able to launch it into the air and do aerial acrobatics, edging into the dance example.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Adraghast »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #145

Even if true, AI is just another tool and combined work of artists and AI can produce greater art than the artist alone. For example, natural world has a lot of repeated elements and hand painting each one detracts from time that could be spent on more expressive aspects of the work. Airplanes let us fly further and faster than birds, should that be avoided / considered not to be real flight just because we are getti…

Fundamental misunderstanding of what art is.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by shlubbert »

humanizersequel wrote: post #138
geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

Lots of people in here making arguments about the fact that the way these image models learn is roughly analogous to how people learn, the fact that these relatively tiny models simply don't have enough bits to grok anything except the most popular (and therefore recurrent in the training data) images, etc. What about the fact that these models aren't just randomly spitting out and taking credit for random images? Th…

Stable Diffusion 2.0 has already made changes to make infringement harder by removing names of artists and celebrities from the dataset, which is probably the right move -- now if you want to emulate e.g. Greg Rutkowski you actually have to figure out how to describe his style in the prompt, teaching you a little about what makes his art special and making it easier to create your own style along the way.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by watwut »

counttheforks wrote: post #169
richbell wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Power" moderators, that is people who moderate a large number of subreddits, are untenable. It is not possible to effectively or fairly moderate dozens of communities, even if you were to spend all your waking moments doing so. This is, in part, why it's so common for popular submissions to be locked or deleted because "y'all can't behave". The people that do so are largely doing it for their own self-gain (e.g., se…

Reddit allowing moderators to lock threads was a mistake. It just enables lazy mods to be even lazier.

The laziest thing to do is to not do anything and let someone else moderate. While the disagreements over moderation are normal, complains about volunteers being "lazy" for not doing impossible are absurd.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by aliqot »

jknoepfler wrote: post #161
vikingerik wrote: post #128

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Why do Reddit moderators do their work? They are paid in power. They get to decide what viewpoints are seen or not by others. That is a very compelling wage. And of course they all think they're doing a service by advancing their ideology because of course their ideology is the right one.

That's an extremely reductive claim. Can you really not think of more mundane reasons someone might find themselves moderating reddit? It's hard to imagine "ideology" being relevant to the vast majority of reddit... Do you really think the moderators of ELI5 or PeopleFuckingDying or some obscure porn reddit or whatever are primarily concerned with "ideology"? I used to help moderate a poker forum. I was a professiona…

> It's hard to imagine "ideology" being relevant to the vast majority of reddit...

This is egregiously incorrect.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Adraghast »

capableweb wrote: post #17
jcq3 wrote: post #11

I agree with the moderator, AI will push artists to their limits and force them to become creative which is the most important skill of an artist. Technicality isn't enough nowadays, doesn't matter if you can paint like Raphael, you need to be creative like Picasso or Dali.

> Technicality isn't enough nowadays When was it ever like that for artists? Most complex music to perform doesn't mean it's the "best", neither is it like that for art. As an example from visual art, abstract art is sometimes very simple, yet have a profound impact on people, and it was never about being "technical", "complex" or "hard to reproduce".

> When was it ever like that for artists?

For centuries. Everything you just said about abstract art encompasses the entire reason it was important and prompted backlash that continues to this day.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by thechao »

jasonkolb wrote: post #142
benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

Reddit is a worse echo chamber than Twitter ever was. I gave up on it when I got banned from certain subreddits for posting quotes from congressional testimony. If you post anything that deviates in the slightest from the moderator's viewpoint, you get banned. The end result is an echo chamber that's getting tighter and smaller, excluding any diversity of opinion. It's no way to run a business.

Reddit's business is to house all of the echo-chambers, though, isn't it? That seems like a great business to be in, during this Heyday of Echo Chamber Construction™.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by bitwize »

jknoepfler wrote: post #161
vikingerik wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do Reddit moderators do their work? They are paid in power. They get to decide what viewpoints are seen or not by others. That is a very compelling wage. And of course they all think they're doing a service by advancing their ideology because of course their ideology is the right one.

That's an extremely reductive claim. Can you really not think of more mundane reasons someone might find themselves moderating reddit? It's hard to imagine "ideology" being relevant to the vast majority of reddit... Do you really think the moderators of ELI5 or PeopleFuckingDying or some obscure porn reddit or whatever are primarily concerned with "ideology"? I used to help moderate a poker forum. I was a professiona…

It's common knowledge now that abstaining from politics is taking the side of the oppressor. This has the effect of giving many subreddits and other topical communities a political orientation even if politics is nominally offtopic. To give an example, it is increasingly hard to find an online knitting community that tolerates conservative viewpoints; most have followed the lead of Ravelry.
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