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US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by sofixa »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #66
FpUser wrote: post #16

Starting from WWI western world is moving from what was basically complete freedom of movement to a corral. Think the best response would be something in line of go fuck yourself. No visa waiver - be my guest and have your tourism industry go belly up. Once tourism industry goes economic cooperation might eventually follow. Maybe this will teach our masters a bit. P.S. Being originally from USSR freedom of movement w…

This is asuming that EU will work in their (our) interest. For me it seems that most of EU works with interests of other actors, especially US, from Ursula downwards, so they might give the US access and ignore their own people... again.

Where is this coming from? The vast majority of what the EU does doesn't concern anyone but the EU, and is sometimes actively hurting non-EU entities like American corporations. Be it the GDPR, the Digital Markets or Services Acts, the Covid recovery funds, farming subsidies, various projects to improve random hyper local infrastructure, etc etc etc.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by omgomgomgomg »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #143
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

I get the sense you do not quite understand how much essentially all of Europe is a vassal state of the group of people that also has a stranglehold on America.

Please explain.

This might be true on military/nato matters, but economically, Europe and the EU can quite take care of themselves.

As for america, who has a stranglehold there?

If we leave conspiracy theories out of the equation, it is always the 2 parties un power and their corporate or institutional buddies.

I do not think anyone is thelling Trump or Bidens team who to invade or bombard next.

The US is the remaining superpower and thats all there really is.

Look at Musk, richest guy in the world, Trump was making fun of him.

It is not the people with money who have the power, money is a pre requisite to even be allowed near power.

The people with power un the us are simply the people with....power.

USA, with all its flaws, is nobodys vassal state.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by survirtual »

LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

This is very correct. However, I would amend your solution: the solution is modern encryption and open source. These two in conjunction allow you to verify trust.

ToS is like HR: they both exist to protect only the company.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by 0xBDB »

hardlianotion wrote: post #23

One question that always seems to be unclear and insufficiently negotiated is reciprocity. What is the US going to offer in return. If they do offer to reciprocate, it actually needs to be delivered before the deal is live. That said, I think it is a shitty deal for these leaky, insecure, bad faith entities to be able to negotiate off to the side with our sensitive personal data like this.

"What is the US going to offer in return."

Well, not our biometric data, certainly. You could get that on eBay.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/27/technology/for-sale-on-eb...

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by chadlavi »

frankfrankfrank wrote: post #140

Are there any folks here to whom it is starting to dawn what is really going on here; a transatlantic prison planet where you can do nothing without your prison wardens, formerly known as politicians, bureaucrats, and generally awful people knowing more about you than you do and being able to terrorize and torment you if you oppose or inconvenience them?

Not sure you know what a prison is frankfrankfrank

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Post by [deleted] »

LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

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Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by FpUser »

sneak wrote: post #68
FpUser wrote: post #16

Starting from WWI western world is moving from what was basically complete freedom of movement to a corral. Think the best response would be something in line of go fuck yourself. No visa waiver - be my guest and have your tourism industry go belly up. Once tourism industry goes economic cooperation might eventually follow. Maybe this will teach our masters a bit. P.S. Being originally from USSR freedom of movement w…

> No visa waiver - be my guest and have your tourism industry go belly up. Unfortunately for your plan, Yellowstone will still be Yellowstone, and New York will still be New York. I agree with your attitude, but this "well, let them hang themselves" attitude just means the US ends up with the money and the data (via a slower path). A lack of visa waiver won't significantly negate tourism; there are a lot of attractio…

>"there are a lot of attractions in the US."

There are a lot of attractions everywhere.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by pc86 »

omgomgomgomg wrote: post #163
epolanski wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would we have to give two damns about American demands, I don't see that having any chance.

I am not sure why this is downvoted, the guy is exactly right. I would have thought HN is more on the small government political spectrum, it appears this does not count for foreign policy?

HN is on the small government side only insofar as it relates to tech legislation and adjacent regulations. It's pretty typically left-leaning California-esque politics otherwise.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by ceejayoz »

DocTomoe wrote: post #72
counttheforks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you think obtaining a hair sample is somehow intrusive?

Just cutting some hair won't do it. Given that DNA is in the follicle, you would have to extract a hair, e.g. pull it out. Doing so without consent or demanding it is a violation of medical ethics and/or assault.

You drop hairs all the time. Same for DNA; cops regularly get people by grabbing their coffee cup out of the trash.

Re: US Government demands direct police access to European biometric data [pdf]

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Post by ecef9-8c0f-4374 »

survirtual wrote: post #173
LarryMullins wrote: post #77

Whether it's good local privacy laws in your country or a good privacy-respecting TOS from a company, both are basically worthless when a bigger entity comes barging into the picture. So your government collects biometric data but passes laws promising not to misuse it... you may very well find that those promises are worth less than dirt when a country with leverage over your own starts making demands that your gove…

This is very correct. However, I would amend your solution: the solution is modern encryption and open source. These two in conjunction allow you to verify trust. ToS is like HR: they both exist to protect only the company.

ok. now the US government demands not to use modern encryption and open source. And we are back at square one.
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