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Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by vba616 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #42
macintux wrote: post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

There are estimated to be thousands of swatting incidents in a given year, so the "super boring" result evidently happens the vast majority of the time in the US too.

It's also not always that boring in other countries. Here is an example that involved more than some questions and leaving:

https://www.wjhl.com/news/local/18-year-old-arrested-in-cana...

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Post by razemio »

hprotagonist wrote: post #62

https://twitter.com/ppathole/status/1116670170980859905 Tech enthusiasts: My entire house is smart. Tech workers: The only piece of technology in my house is a printer and I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize. The only modification i'd recommend is replacing the gun with something simpler, like a sledgehammer. Can't be too careful.

Replace this with no cloud device and I am fine with that. I have ALOT of "smart devices". None of them are connected to the cloud. If I want to control my house, I connect to it via VPN. If my house wants to contact me, it uses pushover. Not sure if I will still do this when I am "old" but I might ;).

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Post by AceyMan »

phpisthebest wrote: post #148
tommica wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you're screwed if you need to print something :(

Like what? Everyone should be paperless these days. What exactly do you still need to print?

try having a middle-schooler with homework projects to do.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Post by jokoon »

macintux wrote: post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

Swatting is the result of an aggressive police.

Of course those scam calls are guilty, but the police should also be less aggressive.

If the police would fix it's behavior swatting wouldn't exist.

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Post by nickcox »

SoftTalker wrote: post #144
jachee wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t think of a single kind of situation requiring a police response where surprise escalation is a key component that will help solve that situation in favor of controlled investigation and a focus on de-escalation.

Active shooter probably.

Which you'd think they'd verify be confirmed reports or actually, like, hearing gunshots.

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Post by Thorrez »

vbitz wrote: post #124
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouldn't salting make that expensive?

Not if your only checking 1 possibility rather than a few million. It could take on the order of a few seconds per password in the worst case. Normally a few Milliseconds. So 1,000,000 breached passwords * 100ms per check is 100,000 CPU seconds or about 30 CPU hours to check all passwords. The is easily paraliseable so imagine more like 10-20 minutes in parallel.

>So 1,000,000 breached passwords * 100ms per check is 100,000 CPU seconds or about 30 CPU hours to check all passwords.

For a single user's account. Multiply that by 1 million ring users and you get 30 million CPU hours.

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Post by squarefoot »

SpeedilyDamage wrote: post #95
reducesuffering wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switzerland is about 1/5 the guns per capita. If you look at US state gun prevalence, it reliably correlates to the where higher numbers of police are killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g...

Chicken/egg problem. Who escalated first?

Probably solvable by de-escalating both at the same time.

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Post by coeneedell »

phpisthebest wrote: post #139
imgabe wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you actually think the police send a SWAT team to every single call? 99% of calls in the US would be the exact normal response you said - police knock on the door and ask questions. The problem is the swatters know the exact type of call to make to elicit a SWAT response, usually involving someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed. The police can't just assume people making that kind of cal…

There is a HUGE range of responses from nothing Full On military Assault shooting everything that moves. That fact that citizens of the US have simply accepted that the latter is even remotely a proper response to even "someone being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed" calls is both sadden, and maddening at the same time

If I was being held hostage and in imminent danger of being killed, I would prefer an armed response.

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Post by 3np »

vba616 wrote: post #168
californical wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bills need to be mailed to my health insurance company if I want to be reimbursed for anything — no online uploads whatsoever, and this is for one of the major national companies that everyone knows.

Every medical practice I know of still has a fax number, in 2022.

You're most likely in a different environment than the person you're replying to. Dynamics around landline numbers can also have surprising variance between countries.
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