World Cup Daily, Day 25 • Hacker News Board

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by goto11 » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 10:21 AM UTC

sphinxster wrote: post #30

m12k wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Even a single preventable death on a job site is one too many. We are doubling down on safety precautions and training to prevent any further workplace hazards. While complete safety is impossible to achieve on a project of this scale, we are using our massive wealth to ensure our construction sites follow international best practices in this area. We value the lives and wellbeing of our workers and will take every…

There are 1+ million migrant workers in Qatar. Roughly, the average human mortality rate is about 1% per year. In a given population of 1 million, you could expect about 27 to die, on average each day . (0.01x1000000)/365 = 27 Sure, more elderly people make up the 1%, and if accounting for the workers ages maybe you'll have half that figure. Or a quarter. The point is, in context, one worker dying out of a million on…

> the average human mortality rate is about 1% per year

Are you talking about death from any reason? Because I don't think anyone expect the Qatar authorities to comment on someone dying from a water-skiing accident or from old age. Given migrant worker have to be healthy enough to travel and work, one would assume their mortality was significantly lower than average.

The question, of course, is work-accidents. Does migrant workers in Qatar have the same rate of work accidents as workers in other rich countries?

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by somrand0 » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 1:55 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #165

somrand0 wrote: post #154

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I think I added far too much perspective... so this comment may as well go unwritten, but whatever... reddit shadowbanned so many replies like these, because replying under a -4 points comment was still too visible. hn, otoh doesn't notify of replies so that covers the visibility reduction. I'm trying to understand what "public" means.. an employee is a public slave. also, don't undermine the meaning of my qualificat…

The difference between employment and slavery is the same as between rape and normal sex: Consent. The consensual and forced versions can involve the same activities, but morally there is a big difference. It's true that you may need to work to afford food and housing etc. But to me, that's just the human condition. We all need certain things, and most of them we need the help of other people to get. Work and money i…

consider people working at an amazon warehouse ..

those companies rely on there existing an entire class of people unable to refuse to get into a job where they may get in trouble for taking too long of a bathroom break; those people are clearly employees.

a less famous example would be people picking apples, or working in a meat packing factory.

where's the consent to exist in a situation that prevents refusing some jobs? jobs without which everything would get way more expensive for the privileged american consumer.

in any case, I don't think I can argue my perspective to you any better than this; we all believe (and notice) whatever we want and makes us feel alright.

it truly is a consequence of privilege that you see work and money as a way to collaborate and work together, because as I understand them, money is a social technology, hence it can be used as it has in your experience, as well as used to exploit and coerce people into crappy scenarios for the sake of the 'consumer's experience'

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by yawnr » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:08 PM UTC

SeanLuke wrote: post #48

yawnr wrote: post #29

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They posted it because he collapsed and died during extra time at the Argentina Netherlands match the day after he wrote it. Lots of theories and potential explanations for what actually happened as he’s been talking about not feeling well recently, but you can’t really blame people for being suspicious after what happened with SA and Khashoggi. His brother posted a video saying he believes he was killed, but he was…

> They posted it because he collapsed and died You missed the point. He's [rightly] complaining about substack.

I didn’t miss the point. It was just soon enough after it happened that I figured they lacked the context about why it was posted, so they thought it was just meant to be a standalone article about this issue and not an attempt to draw a line between it and his death.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by yetanotherforg » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 9:11 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #120

yetanotherforg wrote: post #8

Not surprising at all. mohammed bin salman personally ordered a journalist beheaded in the Istanbul consulate a few years ago. Why not poison a journalist at the World Cup? royal families can commit genocide, and still have no legal financial or personal recourse. To them, he was just a worker and workers are garbage in the Middle East.

To be fair, Mohamed bin Salman is the crown prince and de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, not Qatar. The two countries aren't on the best terms (as a matter of fact Qatar were blockaded by a Saudi-led coalition for years trying to strongarm them), so you can't just apply what one did to the other. They're absolutely similar (autocratic, Arab, traditional, family-based, Muslim, opressive towards anyone who is not a strai…

That's the thing. In the middle-east there are no repercussions or consequences for the 1%. They can literally cut off the arms of house cleaners who quit, or behead journalists, without anything more than harsh words by b-rate American and German politicians.

They are above all laws, and we fight each other to suck their ... wallets.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by yetanotherforg » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 12:32 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #138

yetanotherforg wrote: post #8

Not surprising at all. mohammed bin salman personally ordered a journalist beheaded in the Istanbul consulate a few years ago. Why not poison a journalist at the World Cup? royal families can commit genocide, and still have no legal financial or personal recourse. To them, he was just a worker and workers are garbage in the Middle East.

President of USA are known to bomb civilians. And still they get re-elected and even some people give them donations that is bribes to support their murderous tendencies. And nothing is being done about this. No death penalties for people involved. No one is spending rest of their live in jail. Or being prosecuted and judged by jury made of peers of victims.

Are you saying there is a moral equivalence equivalence between killing terrorists in military operations .. and going to another country to behead a journalist who said mean things about you?