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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by noduerme »

silisili wrote: post #58
tasty_freeze wrote: post #55

Sadly, my daughter got scammed earlier this year. She is a recent college grad from a liberal arts school, and had been working six months doing retail work after graduation. Looking to make use of her degree, she was excited to get a job offer doing remote work as an office coordinator. She has a dog so working from home was a plus, and $25/hr instead of $16/hr doing retail was a big raise. She not only lost $3000 f…

Sorry that happened to her. There's also some mental concept where people already got started or went so far, and subconsciously don't want to believe they've been had, so keep going. I'm sure there's a name for it, I can't be bothered to look up. It's why romance scams are so common, and also why that McDonald's manager undressed that employee, for example. Fascinating, but sad.

Speaking of McDonald's, what you're describing is the same impulse that makes me accept and consume a hamburger after I've watched numerous employees violating health codes before they hand it to me. Like, this is a major company, and I don't have enough time to question all the details...

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by lmarcos »

nigamanth wrote: post #6

To be honest, one can easily realize that this "Marc Cannon" is a fake with the amount of spelling and grammatical errors he makes. Real professionals do not make spelling and grammar errors such as: "Do you have any other question ?" "Good morning how are you this morning." "I will send you later" "Good morning, How are you doing today ?" "This is very disrespectful and all director are to meet you for training on m…

But what difference does it make? If I were a scammer I would:

- buy a domain for 20 USD/year and create the corresponding hr@MyNiceAndSeriousLookingDomain.com

- do what the scammer did in the blog post but without grammatical errors (I could even use chatgpt for that) and alway using my custom email address

See. That's easy to fake. If people are willing to pay the scammers, then the grammar errors and proton emails do not matter

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by admax88qqq »

vanviegen wrote: post #130
maximus-decimus wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're relying on the idea that all foreign governments care about their citizens scamming Americans. And it literally takes only one government that doesn't care (or isn't able to enforce for whatever reason) for your strategy to be impossible.

I'm sure the US government could think of one or two things to put enough pressure on such countries, if it cared to do that.

Let's assume the scams are coming from North Korea or Cuba or Russia. You really think that there's more pressure the US apply that will make these countries go "you're right we shouldn't let our citizens scam your citizens"

The root issue it archaic payment systems and banks where a check can take 7 days to clear. In this age a bank check should clean in seconds and funds should not be available in your account until it clears. It should be on the bank to not lie to you about funds in your account.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by fineIllregister »

kevin_p wrote: post #96
ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

Victims of the gift card scam don't really think that the government wants you to pay your fines/taxes in Google Play money. The implication is that a government employee will make the problem go away if you pay them under the table. The victim is being made to feel that they're a participant in the scam, which makes them less likely to report it once they figure out they're getting cheated.

I've watched some scambaiting videos and I never see it approached like that. They do sometimes inoke avoiding taxes to get targets to buy gift cards or mark a transfer of money as personal.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by noduerme »

rippercushions wrote: post #61
silisili wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry that happened to her. There's also some mental concept where people already got started or went so far, and subconsciously don't want to believe they've been had, so keep going. I'm sure there's a name for it, I can't be bothered to look up. It's why romance scams are so common, and also why that McDonald's manager undressed that employee, for example. Fascinating, but sad.

The McDonalds manager story in question: https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563&page=1 Which would be completely unbelievable if there wasn't security footage of the whole thing!

Insane and yet totally believable if you spend any time dealing with franchisees.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

What would be useful is a clear explanation of the workings of these scams - I mean it took me halfway through this thread to work out he was pressured to repay an uncleared cheque.

And the "sex in your area" scam someone mentioned - I simply assumed that sort of thing is real (some kind of scuzzy meetup thing) as opposed to a scam (not sure how it works - presumably pay up before getting the number of the gorgeous woman who wants sex now! Admittedly cannot see a big difference between that and reputable dating agencies :-)

So yeah a public safety website for scams might be useful.

How do they all work?

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by ttoinou » 

    11. I saw a ton of red flags in regards to grammar and spelling but brushed it off, maybe it was just some foreign recruiter, whatever, I make typos all the time
That's part of the scam though, it's made on purpose

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by omgomgomgomg »

admax88qqq wrote: post #173
vanviegen wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure the US government could think of one or two things to put enough pressure on such countries, if it cared to do that.

Let's assume the scams are coming from North Korea or Cuba or Russia. You really think that there's more pressure the US apply that will make these countries go "you're right we shouldn't let our citizens scam your citizens" The root issue it archaic payment systems and banks where a check can take 7 days to clear. In this age a bank check should clean in seconds and funds should not be available in your account unti…

People always say Russian scammers are safe if they do Cc fraud etc. This is absolutelly not true, maybe some government collaborators get away with it because it is sanctioned, but the regular joseph will absolutelly go to prison, or be recruited for a war zone.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by kebman »

biztos wrote: post #115
zorrolovsky wrote: post #103

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This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

I consider myself pretty quick to detect scams, having worked in cybersecurity, though probably no quicker than the average HN commenter. And yet 15 years ago I fell for the “sell products that are no longer available” scam. There was a keyboard I really wanted but it was no longer being made. However, I found an online shop that had them in stock! I ordered, paid, got my confirmation, and waited about two weeks befo…

I let my guard down once, because of a third party survey from actually Apple. Then actually Apple allowed the third party to funnel me onto their third party site. And that's where I suddenly found myself subscribed to a $15 fun recurring weekly quiz. I trusted them, because it's Apple, right? Except it wasn't Apple anymore. And, well, it wasn't fun to me so I un-subbed pretty quickly, but the first $15 were already payed. When I looked into it, they'd hidden themselves through layers of proxies so it wasn't possible to find an office address. And there was ofc no help to get from Apple, because they assured that they were only responsible the third party survey, and not what happened when you where funnelled onwards. I still think this is pretty crappy customer service from Apple, and that cooperating with such a scammy company reflects very poorly on them. Oh, and I still want my $15 back! (Don't worry, it's nothing compare to what I lost on FTX...)
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