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Emacs 29 is nigh

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Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by bergheim »

esparrohack wrote: post #149
bergheim wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my point. How did emacs influence this? Emacs is nothing like that. If anything, emacs has failed. Everything else is either proprietary or company/plugin based. And mouse based. Imagine spending 8 hours a day for the rest of your life and you still want a cursor based popup telling you what you might or might not want to do instead of having muscle memory of what you do.

Emacs had a GUI and mouse support forever on Windows. It was “bloated and slow”. Yeah the free software stuff didn’t work but that’s not all the editor wars were about. I think we’re just missing each other here. The best features of eMacs spread to other editors. As for the scenario, I don’t see that as a hellish situation. I’ve been using vim for a while. Im actually ok at it. Do I regret learning it? Hell yeah. Lo…

> Emacs had a GUI and mouse support forever on Windows.

Emacs did not invent the mouse cursor interface.

> It was “bloated and slow”.

This comes from not understanding how emacs works. Yes, it has games, no, it is not loaded until you load it. It means nothing, it does not mean bloat.

> I think we’re just missing each other here. The best features of eMacs spread to other editors.

I think we might - it's Emacs not eMacs.

> As for the scenario, I don’t see that as a hellish situation. I’ve been using vim for a while. Im actually ok at it.

Great! I love vim. In fact I used it for 15 years before switching. I would not be using emacs as my everything if evil-mode was not a thing.

> Do I regret learning it? Hell yeah. Lol. But at least I got vim mode to soothe the wound a little

Sometimes I think the same thing.. Everytime there is no vi mode I get annoyed. I try to be open to new software, but cua-mode (or default emacs keys) is not it for me.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by qorrect »

bergheim wrote: post #111
bombcar wrote: post #78

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Before tools like VScode existed Emacs was infinitely beyond other options, now it’s just really really really far ahead.

I'll bite. How did vscode raise the bar from every other editor/ide ever?

I don't think that's what he is saying. He is saying that Emacs once ruled supreme because it was the only option. Now that IDE's have caught up, it's in the lead by only a little.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by bombcar »

qorrect wrote: post #172
bergheim wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. How did vscode raise the bar from every other editor/ide ever?

I don't think that's what he is saying. He is saying that Emacs once ruled supreme because it was the only option. Now that IDE's have caught up, it's in the lead by only a little.

I'd say still by a lot, but yeah, IDEs have advanced in the last 20+ years (and one of the main advantages of something like VScode or IntelliJ is that it does a lot "out of the box" and it's pretty discoverable).

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by G3rn0ti »

znpy wrote: post #81

I’ve seen various opinions about eglot vs lsp-mode… anybody care to explain if eglot is better and in general why it was chosen for inclusion in emacs?

Eglot does not have as many dependencies as lsp-mode and was designed to work closer with Emacs built-ins. Lsp-mode comes with many non-standard gui extensions — with some of them being quite cool, honestly — but they make the setup more complicated. Eglot supposedly just works out of the box.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by wry_discontent »

xedrac wrote: post #132
bombcar wrote: post #78

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Before tools like VScode existed Emacs was infinitely beyond other options, now it’s just really really really far ahead.

I don't know. I used emacs for a solid year (in evil mode admittedly), and my configuration kept breaking with new updates. I spent more time fiddling with my config files than being productive. I love lisp and the idea of emacs. But when I started using vscode, my productivity immediately jumped. Emacs also suffers from latency spikes, even worse than vscode does. I want Emacs, but with the speed of Rust, and the po…

My experience has been the opposite. I spent a few weeks doing a lot of config randomly, but after I had a solid setup, I rarely touch it.

I haven't made a config change in months. And the last few were all just new convenience shortcuts.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by gaws »

akira2501 wrote: post #133

Unrelated, but to anyone from Google. When I search for "emacs" and your product pops up a line saying "Did you mean Vi?" it really makes me want to quit using your search product. Your search is not best in breed anymore, so cute gimmicks like this are a flat turnoff.

Use another search engine.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by karthink »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #145
bergheim wrote: post #43

I am loving all this emacs love lately (I am an emacsophile), but I do find all this attention it is getting suddenly a bit surprising. Is it just that "long lines, LSP, fast syntax hightlighting" is making new people interested, or is it just us neckbeards coming out of the woods? I mean, many of these things are just a package-install away right now. I seldom see vim put in the same lime-light, for instance. Or may…

Casual emacs user since 1991, and from my POV ... it seems like maybe a confluence of things (lsp, treesitter, etc.) is bringing some people back into the Emacs folds. For years emacs is what I used for C/C++ coding. Then CLion came on the scene, and it would be very hard for me to walk away that from and train my fingers back to meta super land. But it does seem like Emacs is getting competitive as an alternative to…

> My new job is all in Julia

Where is this, if you don't mind my asking?

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by hvis »

jpe90 wrote: post #151
NoGravitas wrote: post #143

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It's more a question of where you got your Emacs. Native compilation, native JSON parsing, and a bunch of other things are configure-time options.

Oh I see, I build from source but I’ve been using the same configure options forever (just native comp and rename the ctags binary). I’ll look them over again.

Check that you have `libjansson-dev` installed, or whatever is the equivalent on your system.

Re: Emacs 29 is nigh

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

karthink wrote: post #178
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Casual emacs user since 1991, and from my POV ... it seems like maybe a confluence of things (lsp, treesitter, etc.) is bringing some people back into the Emacs folds. For years emacs is what I used for C/C++ coding. Then CLion came on the scene, and it would be very hard for me to walk away that from and train my fingers back to meta super land. But it does seem like Emacs is getting competitive as an alternative to…

> My new job is all in Julia Where is this, if you don't mind my asking?

https://relational.ai/
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