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I am amazed by how polarizing this seems to be. Some of my best memories are from previous startups with this exact 1am energy. This is how shared mental models are built, shit gets done, and shared suffering cements lifelong bonds.
Shared mental models are built in tough times in the trenches,
The engineers chosen to be there! It’s not a slavery,
It’s like you said People just dont grasp Elon’s vision. I’m glad there’s someone who understands innately
As opposed to: https://www.theblaze.com/news/twitter-day-in-life-video Having worked in both types of environments, I can tell you only the 1am types survive and become profitable.
Was it not surviving and extremely profitable?
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Or…it’s separating the wheat from the chaff
And keeping the chaff as staff?
Your opinion may be that the good folks left. Musks opinion may be the good folks stayed. The ultimate determining result is that Twitter stays alive and starts becoming something viable and finds away into the black.
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Maybe a lot of you are willing to take a chance with some risk and some effort. Maybe you get nothing. I know some really wealthy people who are only wealthy because they took a little risk. I know some people who could be wealthy too if they took the same leap, but didn’t and they aren’t. Perhaps they felt like you do…. It all comes down to choices. These people sticking at Twitter are making their choice. Others le…
Risk in return for what reward? There's no reason to believe there's any more upside to working at Twitter vs any other big tech company where you don't have a egonomaniac CEO making you do stupid hazing rituals. It's not like a startup where your equity can be worth hundreds of millions of dollars if there's a big IPO. Twitter is well past the 1000x growth stage.
Let’s face it as hazing rituals go, this is pretty mild.
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I'm implying that the success of your company does not automatically transfer to you by osmosis. These employees are not going to see any additional payoff for staying to 1AM. Even if this exercise did somehow improve Twitter's profits, that money is going to Musk, not to them. If they are paid the same salary, work 80 hours a week instead of 40, and Twitter does well as a result, what have they gotten? A 50% hourly…
So, some week down the line they may only work 20 hours and as salaried employees will likely still get the same paycheck that they did for doing 80 hours. By your logic I guess they wouldn’t deserve that 50% extra comp they received for the hours they didn’t work, correct? I’d say it’s a safe bet that almost all have happily cashed that paycheck for likely years and I’d wager at least 50% didn’t work 2080 hours in t…
"Exempt" is company-speak to make you think your hours worked are not tied to compensation. Try tell a lawyer or structural engineer the same and they'd laugh at you.
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The PayPal mafia had equity / ownership that paid off when they sold the company. Those people in the photo are employees with essentially 0 upside in terms of real ownership. For there to be a “Twitter mafia” Elon would need to, out of the kindness of his heart, give them real ownership in Twitter. And then Twitter needs to be a success, much more than it already was. I’d play the lottery instead and leave fantasy l…
i guess we all have to judge the value of such human connections
Again, it’s time to leave fantasy land.
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What if what if what if. What about his actions leads you to believe he's more capable of that than the thousands of people who were already working on it? If that were easy to do it would have been done, social media companies are full of people who care very deeply about this exact issue and who are also not absolute fucking neophytes at understanding and managing the constraints of a large social media network. An…
> what about his actions leads you to believe he's more capable of that than the thousands of people who were already working on it? My sense is that the 1000's of people who where already working on it have been working on it from the perspective of how to make a billion dollars while working at it. EM is free from that constraint.
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Twitter is a mature tech platform that routinely onboards people at all levels of technical experience into every part of itself. There's no way they don't have probably several entire programs for getting people up to speed on how it all works. Possibly even a few full time dedicated people working only on that, actually. At least before he fired them anyway. This is nothing but ego and hubris still.
Its wild how many people believe this dumb "pull up of your sleeves" photo op bullshit. Musk doesn't even have a B.S., dude couldn't understand how to build a barn door much more something like Twitter.
Lots of comments on how hackathons and late night sessions were fond memories for people. The difference is those events were chosen. If you are forced to remain at your company (due to visa issues for example) being forced by your CEO to stay at work until 1am is atrocious. This is not a profession where being at the office this late is the norm and it's not typical for the environment. Twitter is not a startup in a…
There is a more simple explanation: that these are the folks who actually want to go "hardcore" and build to some actual vision.
Twitter itself has already been built. What new thing would they be building? A slightly different content moderation system? Slightly tweaked steps for verifying accounts? I'm not sure I see anything hardcore about any of this.