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Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by 7952 »

dqpb wrote: post #46

> Post will be a civil place to debate ideas; learn from experts, journalists, individual creators, and each other; > Post is designed to give the voice back to the sidelined majority; there are enough platforms for extremists, and we cannot relinquish the town square to them. If a licensed practicing doctor recommends against getting the covid vaccine, for reasons, is he an expert or an anti-vax extremist?

He is a social media user, no more, no less. The problem is when we start attaching authority to that. And the less anonymous the platform, the more authority has an impact.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by dale_glass »

macspoofing wrote: post #156
dale_glass wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think it's a question of competence. Musk bought a company that was already losing billions, and saddled it with debt and billions of interest payments per year. That's incompetence > His recent actions also cost near-term ad-revenue, thereby further amplifying losses. And so is that. > As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. Why not? I mean, maybe it'll…

>That's incompetence It may well be. I guess it's a question of semantics. To me his ability to afford a money-losing company is the salient factor, not his chaotic early tenure as 'Chief Twit'. >> As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. >Why not? 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible. 2. If he acted responsibility, he still would be running a company th…

> 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible.

They are partially reversible, but definitely not fully reversible. For example, there's no taking away that Musk started his tenure by angering advertisers. He can apologize, he can make amends, but there's no taking away that some amount of the damage will remain, if only because some companies already made new plans, allocated their budget, and aren't about to tell some other company that they changed their mind because Musk said "sorry".

> 2. If he acted responsibility, he still would be running a company that is losing billions (plus the extra debt he saddled it with) in a terrible economic climate. I don’t think he can afford it.

Well, if he couldn't afford it before making things even worse, how is that not an existential crisis?

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by unity1001 »

ceres wrote: post #18

I’m fed up with “platforms”. Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it. Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform. To top it off, there’s very little upside to you as a user. Your own data is used against you. At this point…

> Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it.

The absolute majority of the people on the planet have neither the time and technical knowledge, nor the desire to maintain their own platforms or stacks.

Decentralized communities suffer from all the problems of user-friendliness and ease of maintenance that Open Source generally suffers from.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by cmurf »

ceres wrote: post #18

I’m fed up with “platforms”. Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it. Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform. To top it off, there’s very little upside to you as a user. Your own data is used against you. At this point…

I agree. If these aren't public benefit corporations, I'm not interested.

I used to gleefully ridicule all things Twitter. But I've come to see it as more of a public benefit than a public menace. The automated censoring aggravates me because it does get things wrong, even after requesting review. So a tweak was in order, but this is not that kind of tweak, it's worse. I think we need something like it. I'm not sure if one is enough or if two is too many.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by boh »

ceres wrote: post #18

I’m fed up with “platforms”. Growing a garden on someone else’s land is dumb and I think more people are starting to get it. Why feed someone’s enterprise for free who will then turn it into a powerful walled garden, make billions in profit while eventually dictating what you can and can’t do on said platform. To top it off, there’s very little upside to you as a user. Your own data is used against you. At this point…

> Small decentralized communities which users can freely and easily create and manage is the way to go!

So just group chats.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by vannevar »

mjr00 wrote: post #155
crsv wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quicker the technorati accept that Mastadon will never have mass adoption even remotely close to Twitter, the better. Glad Mastadon is doing its thing being like the IRC of twitter or whatever, but there's absolutely no way it ever truly competes. It should just be happy being a niche product for a niche audience.

The Mastadon hype here has serious "year of the Linux desktop" vibes -- technical people getting excited about features that don't matter at all to the average user. Until journalists, politicians, musicians, artists, and brands can have their posts go viral into the feeds of tens of millions of (unwilling) users, it doesn't replace what makes Twitter valuable.

Twitter became Twitter by branding functionality that everyone with an email address already had access to, and slapping a simpler interface on it. Could that be replicated? The historical success of innumerable chat startups suggest it could be.

The successor to Twitter has an advantage that Twitter didn't have, which is an existing social graph ready to migrate. If a critical mass of the Twitter graph moves to Mastodon, and the interface and experience can be made as simple as Twitter, it has a chance.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by cwkoss »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #142

Sounds awful. I don't go on Twitter to "learn" from my betters (presumably, the founder includes himself in that category). If you look at FTX, you have these supposed "journalists" quoting from "Autism Capital" on Twitter...that is where their sources are. I am guessing "Autism Capital" is some random guy, in his mom's bedroom, making no money from this...and there are journalists taking down $80k/year just ripping…

The psuedojournalists you are referring to are worse than simple plagiarizers: they share content they lack the capacity to analyze, but still add their own spin.

I think they have played a significant role in enabling many of the dumbest outcomes of the last decade.

Re: Waze Founder Noam Bardin is starting up a Twitter alternative

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Post by Nifty3929 »

I'm really excited to see competition in this market. I wish Twitter the best, and I hope Elon succeeds with that. I also hope Noam succeeds. And maybe they will push each other to be better for users overall.

One fear I have is that platforms will divide along ideological lines and inhibit respectful disagreement and open conversation. We seem to be short enough on that already and I really don't want it to get worse. It's so important for us to acknowledge that the people "on the other side" are also smart, well educated, and want the best for people - just like we do.

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