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Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by jb1991 »

The article seems ignorant of native tools built right into macOS. For example, it claims macOS is missing:

> Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching)

This is simply false, and the whole list is by someone who just hasn't made an effort to learn how to use a new OS they are not familiar with. For example, I just use Command-tilda, two keys right next to each other, to switch between windows of the same app, and Command-Tab to switch between different apps altogether. Is this not what the author wants?

Re: KDE beats macOS

#172

Post by fikama »

sidlls wrote: post #108
tyfon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired. I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it…

I am glad that you are content with iPhone, and that it works for you. - It's what really matters. But I just want to point out that the latest nexus phone is from 2015 and iPhone 8 was released in 2017.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#173

Post by asdajksah2123 »

uniqueuid wrote: post #27
doix wrote: post #6

Intuitiveness is just what you are used to at this point. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem your whole life, then their UX seems intuitive to you. If you haven't, then it makes absolutely no sense. I first touched an apple device in my 20's, there was nothing intuitive about it. I couldn't do anything and was extremely frustrated. I'm sure the same applies to apple folks trying gnome/KDE/windows. People are getti…

I don't really agree. The really interesting part of intuitiveness is how it scales once you became familiar with the basic set of UX primitives. At least from my experience with ~15 years of mac, ~15 years of on-and-off linux and windows, macOS has remained more consistent, because the primitives are much more universal. Take, for example copying. You can alt-drag a surprising number of things across many different…

I do agree with a lot of this.

What should not be forgotten, however, is how much of the basic UX primitives are being thrown away with the new Catalyst iOS style apps.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#174

Post by distances »

dsego wrote: post #30
distances wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you mean to imply. I've been using Mac daily at work for three years now, and KDE simply is better. I still prefer Mac over Windows though. Similarly to the article author, a lot of my grievances are about Finder. Either it is very poor as a file manager, or it's so undiscoverable that after all these years I have still not figured it out properly. These are all anecdotes and preferences, obviously. I d…

Any specific grievances? The discoverability argument I don't buy, because the same people that will tinker for hours on a linux distro to learn and set it up, suddenly need things to be in their face or it's not discoverable.

I'm sure it's partly just resistance to change. I did get some good tips from the comment someone linked: https://old.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/yvxz2l/kde_beats_macos...

But discoverability is part of the issue. E.g. Finder doesn't list keyboard shortcuts for any of the items in the context menu. I now see they are listed in the app menu though. But I've used Finder for three years without these hints.

And then I encounter things like I can't cut-paste a file. Is it something I can't just find, or is it not a Mac concept? I have to search the web to find an answer to things like this, and I probably resort to mv with Terminal. Which can probably be filed under change resistance.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#175

Post by yamtaddle »

sidlls wrote: post #108
tyfon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually switched to an iphone around 2.5 years ago since teams wouldn't run properly on my old android and the offerings from my company instead of iphone (huawei and samsung) didn't really appeal to me. Now 2.5 years later I switched back due to not being able to make friends with the apple UI despite trying for that long. It feels so constrained and inconsistent to me. The pixel phone I got now is a dream in com…

For context: I'd been a "linux person" since undergrad (mid-90s). I picked up a really early Android model after my BlackBerry expired. I have almost the exact opposite experience as you describe: I switched from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago for two reasons: 1) my Google phones (I had a pixel at the time: previously had written it was a Nexus, but it was not) kept bricking; 2) I got an old model iPhone (it…

Similar here, learned on DOS and Windows (3.1-98se) then used desktop Linux alongside Windows for about a decade, and when I eventually got a smartphone started on Android (because it was cheaper) before finally getting significant experience with iOS and OSX because I started working at a mobile dev shop (dual-platform, not just iOS). Once I got used to OSX/macOS (took maybe six months) I wondered WTF I'd been doing with my life, and seeing tons of Android and iOS devices side-by-side every day, and working on apps for both, made it really clear to me which was better and what I ought to be using, and it wasn't even close.

I've got complaints about Apple and they make mis-steps all the time—and I'm really worried about their getting into ads more heavily—but everyone else doesn't even seem to be trying to compete with what they're doing, so there's no real alternative.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#176

Post by russelg »

tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

> What does that mean? There's no tray bar. Is it the menu? Is it the Dock? In both cases, it's untrue, or the writer means something else.

They're clearly talking about the area on the right of the menu bar. You know, the one you can't (temporarily) hide entries for without a third-party app, which is functionality that exists in both Windows and KDE.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by jevgeni »

tgv wrote: post #161

How does this particular list of very minor gripes get so many upvotes? And it's not just minor gripes, half of them are wrong. Some of them have been addressed by others, but: * Taking screenshots requires to click the preview in order to copy to clipboard, which also causes to save it to Desktop. No, it doesn't. * Surprising lack of apps in the store Says someone defending KDE? But hey, strangely enough I'm typing…

I mean the title should read "Man confuses personal habits with a product design degree"

Re: KDE beats macOS

#178

Post by nmjohn »

jb1991 wrote: post #171

The article seems ignorant of native tools built right into macOS. For example, it claims macOS is missing: > Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching) This is simply false, and the whole list is by someone who just hasn't made an effort to learn how to use a new OS they are not familiar with. For example, I just use Command-tilda, two keys right next to each other, to switch be…

When I first switched to osx many years ago, this was a pretty jarring change. I was used to alt+tab switching between all windows, and had muscle memory tied to that.

Today, however, I couldn't imagine going back. Having separate toggles for switching apps vs. switching app windows is so much faster and useful - once you get used to it. But it does take retraining muscle memory.

Re: KDE beats macOS

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Post by kuschku »

IshKebab wrote: post #78

I mean, sure some of those things are crap in MacOS. Some he is mistaken about or are super niche. He does have some valid points but you can't take a few annoyances and say "KDE beats macOS". I could easily find the same number of annoyances in KDE. Probably many more. He's just made peace with them. > Impossible to create a dotfile from Finder (only terminal) Yeah most people don't need this ever. If you're making…

> Mac's screenshot support is really good. Yes it requires 3 modifier keys but I still miss it on Windows.

Then you haven't tried KDE's, which is so good that people started packaging it for other desktop environments as well.

Re: KDE beats macOS

#180

Post by jb1991 »

nmjohn wrote: post #178
jb1991 wrote: post #171

The article seems ignorant of native tools built right into macOS. For example, it claims macOS is missing: > Missing native Alt+Tab and individual window switching (only does app switching) This is simply false, and the whole list is by someone who just hasn't made an effort to learn how to use a new OS they are not familiar with. For example, I just use Command-tilda, two keys right next to each other, to switch be…

When I first switched to osx many years ago, this was a pretty jarring change. I was used to alt+tab switching between all windows, and had muscle memory tied to that. Today, however, I couldn't imagine going back. Having separate toggles for switching apps vs. switching app windows is so much faster and useful - once you get used to it. But it does take retraining muscle memory.

What I don't understand is the author of this article making statements like this that reveal they have not put in any effort to learn a whole new OS. Imagine if I switched to KDE and soon wrote an article bashing KDE because I just couldn't figure out how to do basic things. Some effort is necessary to see what an OS offers, and this author clearly hasn't done it.
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