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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by wiredearp »

Fomite wrote: post #93
UncleOxidant wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

It is. With the exception of a very narrow age range of young men, the COVID vaccine is protective against heart disease alone, even ignoring all other outcomes.

Young men on the other hand appear to face the biggest increase in COVID related heart attacks according to https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked..., so perhaps the vaccine remains their best option.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by pasquinelli »

robomartin wrote: post #13

One of my kids, 15 at the time, was one of the reported cases of myocarditis. At the time of his hospitalization he was one out of 700 cases. He was in the hospital for two weeks. While under observation after his release, we have not seen indications of lasting damage. No way to know what the future holds. So far, so good. We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. The one thing…

> The one thing that angers me is that this incident cost us $10K. Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it. We have no recourse whatsoever for this incident and any future care requirements.

that angers me too. america bumbled its way through the pandemic, and we're no closer to getting single payer healthcare. not even for medical care related to the pandemic, which is collectively beneficial.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by AustinDev »

calculatte wrote: post #144
queuebert wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

Just a meta comment. This exact comment 1 year ago would have been downvoted until it was dead. However, much of the evidence for this was available at that time. I sadly think we'll continue to see excess deaths climb over the coming years particularly in the US.

I'm glad I only got the J&J shot way back when it came out and avoided 3+ rounds of Pfizer or Moderna primary and boosters.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by beebmam »

throwaway09223 wrote: post #139
thrwy_918 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Obamacare, which was forced upon us and costs us $2,400 PER MONTH, did not cover it Can you expand on this please? I find it extremely hard to understand how an ACA-compliant health care plan could "not cover" a hospital stay for myocarditis. Unless you're on a high-deductible plan and the entire stay was less than your deductible?

A two week hospital stay is orders of magnitude more than $10k, so presumably the $10k representes the out of pocket portion of the care. I suspect the maximum annual out of pocket.

Exactly right. People with insurance have zero idea how much medical care actually costs because it's really hard to keep up with all the health insurance documents one receives.

Try being hospitalized without insurance. You'll find out really fast. (I was, twice, circa 2010. I was unemployed and uninsured)

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by nomel »

weberer wrote: post #152
UncleOxidant wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

Why did you ask that as a question if you have the answer right there?

Understanding of this stuff can change, as evident by the fact that this post exists and research is just starting.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by robocat »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #75
hitpointdrew wrote: post #4

Seems like this should have been a requirement before any emergency use authorization, and certainly before any mandates. The fact that this research is just now being done ought to be enough to immediately revoke the FDA emergency use authorizations and pull the product from the shelves. The covid vaccines have been a complete and utter disaster at every level. The erosion of trust in the institutions that are suppo…

Isn't he risk of myocarditis actually higher if you get infected with covid compared with getting a covid vaccine? https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/08/22/covid-19-infection-...

No, not for younger men: the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine does not appear to offset the benefit. So if you only care about that one single dimension, younger men shouldn’t have the vaccine. That said, other costs and benefits matter far far more I think.

Absolutely terrible reporting in that link - instead look at the paper: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA....

  In men younger than 40 years, we estimate an additional 4 and 14 myocarditis events per million in the 1 to 28 days after a first dose of BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively; and an additional 14 , 11 and 97 myocarditis events after a second dose of ChAdOx1, BNT162b2, and mRNA-1273, respectively. These estimates compare with an additional 16 myocarditis events per million men younger than 40 years in the 1 to 28 days after a SARS-CoV-2–positive test before vaccination. [ChAdOx1 == AstraZeneca, BNT162b2 == Pfizer, and mRNA-1273 == Moderna]

  The risk of vaccine-associated myocarditis is consistently higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of mRNA-1273, where the number of additional events during 28 days was estimated to be 97 per million people exposed. An important consideration for this group is that the risk of myocarditis after a second dose of mRNA-1273 was higher than the risk after infection.
Disclaimer: I try to be apolitical however there is a strong aura of bullshit around this topic so double check everything!

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by atlgator »

busymom0 wrote: post #108
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #63

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Worth noting, the Florida Surgeon General's opinion was lambasted in the mainstream media as him embracing conspiracy theories (and there is some interesting added context there as to why they believe so). Which... maybe two things are true at once. Perhaps he was - but also, perhaps his stance is not that radical. Radical compared to most Surgeon Generals in the United States; but on an international level? https://…

Even the neighbouring country Canada stopped giving Moderna to people under 30 a year ago in September 2021. The CDC on the other hand is still continuing on. Clearly something is wrong in the US.

Money in politics is the problem in the US.

Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by hedora »

calculatte wrote: post #144
queuebert wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid has killed millions. How many have died of myocarditis? While I agree with your sentiment, it's hyperbolic to claim the vaccine has done "exponentially more damage than the virus".

With the way the numbers around Covid and Covid deaths were cooked, there is no way to determine how many died from Covid. Excess mortality is higher now than during Covid https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-excess-deaths-hi... There is evidence of statistical lies perpetuated to benefit big pharma. - The extreme false positive rate of COVID testing - Blindly combining "of" and "with" Covid cases for cause of…

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

treeman79 wrote: post #53
AmVess wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Boggles my mind that parents are willingly exposing their kids to something they absolutely do not need.

Schools required it. No exemptions.

Malice or stupidity? Collusion or conspiracy? I think it's all of the above.
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