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1) the article is very good news, because Crypto the hype newsline word is dead. This means we are past the hype phase of the hype cycle and collapsed to the steady climb of actual usefulness. The US Dollar is a big scam too, if COVID didn't highlight that then... well, it doesn't really matter.
How the hell did COVID, a period over which the dollar’s value has increased, reveal the USD as a scam? What COVID did is reveal what a currency actually is. It’s a bet on the reliability of the backers of the currency. In the case of the USD, that would be the US government and economy. BTC only has value because people don’t seem to understand this basic fact of a currency.
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#172Some sort of regulation gets passed, institutional investors get interested (some already were: https://decrypt.co/114235/ontario-teachers-95m-ftx-pension-f... ) and the next time a crypto exchange like this goes bust they get bailed out due to financial contagion fears and crypto is totally legitimized with the downside risk publicized. That's the end goal of this and it doesn't seem far fetched to me. The great lib…
Maybe, but the regulation would inevitably come with changes that probably turn a lot of crypto folks away. An FDIC-style framework, for example, would require exchanges to submit regular audits. The key difference between this and the proof-of-reserve stuff that Binance has been putting out is that a government auditor determines the outstanding risk of the reserves, not the entity themselves. I'm a bit skeptical be…
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#173- decentralized, distributed consensus mechanisms are valuable, clever pieces of tech. (The fact that the first major invention of this tech was by an anonymous person who disappeared should be far more alarming than the world seems to think it is)
- Using blockchains to create digital scarcity is a valuable, clever application of the tech. I expect these to become the default for things like event tickets within 10 years despite all the noise and bullshit around NFTs. That being said: NFTs do not in any way make shitty art valuable/not shitty. The bust of NFT art following the boom was so so so painfully obvious, I don’t understand how so many people got hoodwinked save for humanity’s propensity to be greedy.
- I think the value of cryptocurrencies is way way higher to non-western countries (very much not America) because it’s a border-less/government-less means of transferring value. For places like South America and Africa where the local economies are weak/volatile, the ability to transact in a medium that exists globally should be a great idea. America has a trustworthy financial system, there’s no real need for alternatives (I get that banks and the fed are their own ball of fuckery frequently, but in general, we aren’t Venezuela for example. A dollar is a dollar, it works pretty well almost anywhere).
The issues are:
- for this cryptocurrency mechanism to work as a real currency, it needs to be non-volatile, which would kill the opportunity to speculate (and therefore kill western interests/greed). I need to wake up in my village with the same amount of money I went to sleep with. Basically no crypto projects can offer that guarantee right now (ignoring stable coins)
- It’s highly adversarial to government interests, so they’ll stifle it however possible in general Projects like Algorand and Chia are super interesting because of the tech and decentralization goals of them. The vast majority of these projects are just utopian libertarian bullshit that gets absolutely rocked when applied to the real world. Also, humans are just very greedy most of the time, so an unregulated space with relatively low friction on-ramps and the promise of wild returns will of course be abused and lead to spectacular blowouts like the last few months have brought.
The tech will continue, and things will rev back up over the next 3-5 years.
Lastly: Crypto still has a terrible user experience across the board. Arcane address hashes, basically no recourse if you make a typo, all the projects selling their inner tech and economic concepts that are just gibberish unless you’re a PhD (translated: doesn’t matter, no one actually cares).
Crypto desperately needs to be Uber-ified. I don’t mean what Uber has become, I mean what it was when it launched: an app with a button and a text field, you typed in where you wanted to go, and a clean slick car picked you up and got you there like magic. They weren’t advertising their routing and matching algorithms, the product was “feel like a rich guy at the push of a button”. Crypto needs a few of these.
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>It was, in retrospect, simply a bubble It was clearly this since 2016, imho
Since day one, honestly. Otherwise most people here would have stuck $100 in to BTC at $10.
Best return on an investment-related activity I've made so far in my life.
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> And doesn't it still hold the promise of a parallel peer-to-peer non-inflationary currency, suitable for self-custody, which is totally orthogonal to the meltdown of a cryptoexchange? The meltdown of FTX is not orthogonal to bitcoin, it's an outright vulnerability of the system. You can't have a crypto exchange crash without underlying crypto tokens, period. If you're going to argue the merits of the design of cryp…
> system of recklessness that drove the price of Bitcoin to astronomical heights only to crash. I am probably going to sound extremely naive and uneducated; but when we say "price of Bitcoin", don't we normally mean its value relative to fiat currencies? And isn't it true that our regular fiat currencies are inherently inflationary, and thus not a good long-term storage of value? Wouldn't the lack of trust in fiat cu…
> Wouldn't the lack of trust in fiat currencies drive the price of Bitcoin too?
Only if the market believed that bitcoin is safer than fiat currency (which it's not). This is one aspect of the hyperinflation argument that gets overlooked. In order to have a hyperinflationary event, there must be an inherently more stable storage of value that everyone is trying to migrate to, which drives the value of the hyperinflated currency down. As it stands, fiat currencies are still way more trustworthy than crypto, primarily because crypto markets itself as a currency while being traded like a speculative asset. Currencies need to be stable in order to be trusted, bitcoin is not.
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#177> despite the ricketiness of the whole system, despite the constant feeling that everything might fall apart at any moment, there will come a time when crypto really arrives. For me crypto was always Ponzi scheme and nothing more, but it is because I don't laundry money or sell drugs, so I am not the target for crypto.
The narrative that crypto is usefull jusy for buying drugs or laundering money is ridiculous. A couple a weeks ago I did a wire half way across the globe. It took almost 7 days for the money to arrive. With bitcoin? 60 minutes. Remember when OnlyFans was in trouble because of the payments processors wanting to pull the rug? You probably don't and you probably are not aware how many people would have been impacted. Do…
What you want in a currency is fungiblity (if that’s an actual word) and a stable store of value.
What you get with crypto is a billion competing chains and a “high risk investment”.
To compensate for this you get exchanges who also share your view that customer deposits are a “high risk investment” instead of a warehousing operation which is their legal obligation.
Perhaps I’m not the target of crypto because I can see it for what it is and not the utopian dream people want you to see?
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#178> despite the ricketiness of the whole system, despite the constant feeling that everything might fall apart at any moment, there will come a time when crypto really arrives. For me crypto was always Ponzi scheme and nothing more, but it is because I don't laundry money or sell drugs, so I am not the target for crypto.
The narrative that crypto is usefull jusy for buying drugs or laundering money is ridiculous. A couple a weeks ago I did a wire half way across the globe. It took almost 7 days for the money to arrive. With bitcoin? 60 minutes. Remember when OnlyFans was in trouble because of the payments processors wanting to pull the rug? You probably don't and you probably are not aware how many people would have been impacted. Do…
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> I think it’s hilarious that you think your wire was slow because of the geographical distance the message had to travel (“halfway across the world”) as opposed to the fact that it had to travel across jurisdictions with different laws Condescending straw man here. Being able to use BTC to do this, routing around the various jurisdictional settlement layers, is a huge practical improvement. Those 7 days don't make s…
You think preventing fraud, money laundering or terrorism funding (the specific examples cited above) doesn't make society better?
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> A couple a weeks ago I did a wire half way across the globe. It took almost 7 days for the money to arrive. With bitcoin? 60 minutes. Ignoring the week-long wire detail (which deserves an explanation because that doesn't resonate with my experience), depending on when you sent that transaction, your wire could've lost a decent amount of value due to the price instability of bitcoin. Losing 5% in a matter of minutes…
You shouldn't call it "losing 5%," BTC price is not an exchange rate, it's a measure of exchange volatility with an integral component tracking trust in ECC, network availability. It's silly to try and compare software to what is essentially a government-financial-corporate feedback loop and it's behaviors. Every country could severely limit mining, and the supply would continue its steady velocity, whereas sometimes…
No, I'm talking about the exchange rate. I don't care what bitcoin means internally or how it functions, I care about what it's worth on the market today and tomorrow, because there's no to way live in the purely crypto world.
That's the whole point of a currency, that you and I agree that some instrument of value will stay consistent enough to transact with. Crypto is just not there because the ecosystem is full of scams. You could design a perfectly federated system that's worthless because bad actors abuse the platform. If you build a system that assumes everyone is a criminal, then that's what you wind up building, a system in which everyone is a criminal.