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Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by Der_Einzige »

izzydata wrote: post #116
Der_Einzige wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm talking about being spat in the NEXT time you go there. If you're known to not tip, you're at risk of this behavior. It's far worse with things like UberEATS. Your paying the driver to not eat your fries and sip your drink One time, my drink from UberEATS had a line of lipstick on the rim of the straw. I guess I should have tipped more.

Why would anyone subject themselves to such ridiculous behavior? If someone spat in my food or ate some of my food I would never use their service again. Any business with any sense should immediately fire such employees or risk losing customers.

You can't prove who did it, or even that it was done in the first place.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by [deleted] »

whycombinetor wrote: post #93

Meanwhile in Italy, you will pay typically €1 for an espresso and €1.50 for a cappuccino. No option to tip. And the drink is ready 10 seconds after the 30 seconds that it takes the machine to extract after you order. No latte art and no waiting 5 minutes after you order only to realize they completely forgot to start making your drink _after you've already tipped them_. Back here in the States you will pay more than…

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Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by munch117 »

tetraca wrote: post #78
Der_Einzige wrote: post #3

The only reason I continue to tip is the knowledge that my food will be spat in / worse if I don't. I would happily pay higher food prices to avoid tipping culture. Tipping culture simply doesn't exist in most of the world, and Americans who can't imagine a world without it here have no vision.

> The only reason I continue to tip is the knowledge that my food will be spat in / worse if I don't. Nobody does this, even if you're a "horrible" customer and a poor tipper. If you're a bad regular at a restaurant, the front of house will probably grumble about you behind your back (maybe even give you a rude nickname) and give you curt service, though. EDIT: They have probably dealt with much worse than you. You'r…

> [...] and give you curt service

I might actually prefer that. The fake smiling creeps me out.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by no_wizard »

gs17 wrote: post #152
no_wizard wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've noticed quite recently in the last 4-5 years that this isn't true anymore. More and more grocery stores I shop at expect you to bag your own groceries. Its been a wild shift in labor there to me. When I was growing up I worked at a big box retail grocery and I don't remember ever having customers bag their own items unless it was self checkout (which was barely a thing and truly seemed relegated to simple checko…

I even remeber being scolded sometimes years ago for bagging my own stuff when there wasn't a second worker to do it. At some point in COVID, Trader Joe's got extra strict about it, even as I pointed out it meant more people touching my groceries "for my safety". Now they really don't seem to care. > Now the only place I don't have to actively bag my own things is Costco, which recently started heavily pushing their…

Mine appears to be similar to that of grocery stores.

I also happen to have a Sam's Club membership (for now, really weighing whether its worth having since Costco has become even better in my area in terms of what they stock) and they have a nifty thing I actually like, which is you can check out via your phone, so you just scan the items as you put them in the cart, and then pay at the end. The only thing you have to do is show the generated QR code receipt to the door person.

Since I have been bringing my own bags / storage to stores like this for years anyway, its perfect for me, I just scan and bag as I go, and its bagged how I like it to be (IE, cold things are actually in my cold bag, and I have this accordion fold out I can put everything else in, its super nice when I get home) and genuinely faster. It lets me optimize the experience for me without bogging anyone else down either.

This kind of self-checkout I like, the app driven version. I hate all other versions for any other shopping. I really hope Costco adopts this in their app. Honestly, grocery stores would do well to adopt something similar IMO

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by FalconSensei »

no_wizard wrote: post #137
FalconSensei wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> employee that's willing to show up to work and service you So you tip the cashier at the supermarket? They bag your groceries for you

I've noticed quite recently in the last 4-5 years that this isn't true anymore. More and more grocery stores I shop at expect you to bag your own groceries. Its been a wild shift in labor there to me. When I was growing up I worked at a big box retail grocery and I don't remember ever having customers bag their own items unless it was self checkout (which was barely a thing and truly seemed relegated to simple checko…

At least here in Vancouver, if I have my own reusable bag, I have to bag it. But if I ask them for a bag, they'll bag the items for me

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by izzydata »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #171
izzydata wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone subject themselves to such ridiculous behavior? If someone spat in my food or ate some of my food I would never use their service again. Any business with any sense should immediately fire such employees or risk losing customers.

You can't prove who did it, or even that it was done in the first place.

This guy said there was lipstick on his drinks straw. That seems rather definitive.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

wdb wrote: post #169
lotsofpulp wrote: post #125

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No, they do not. The employee is still owed the minimum wage, whether it be via tips or their employer if the tips do not add up to minimum wage. Also, quite a few jurisdictions do not have tipped minimum wages anymore. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

I always thought tips was on top of minimum wage but sounds like it is more sponsoring/helping the employer to pay it's employees instead of an extra to the employee.

Money is fungible, so it would always be helping the employer pay an employee.

When a person decides to become a waiter versus a cook or a janitor, they are including potential income due to tips and lack of tips in their calculations. Thereby, the potential of tips always reduces the need for an employer to pay more.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by PebblesRox »

mistercool wrote: post #81

Assuming it's true that they receive a similar proportion of cash tips from cash purchases as digital tips from digital transactions, I wonder if the variability is substantially greater for cash tips. It seems reasonable to assume pre-selected tip amounts on Square would decrease variability, while cash purchases probably opt for (no tip, resulting coins from change, or bigger bills). The five or ten bill tips menti…

With cash it's more convenient to tip based on the bills you have available vs with a fixed percentage. Maybe some regulars will give a large cash tip some days and a small or no tip on other days, with the idea that it'll even out in the end.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by no_wizard »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #33

Some (many?) countries have demonstrated that no-tipping can work just fine. > makes them less competitive to any nearby coffeeshops that haven't raised prices Maybe I'm an outlier but for me I'm sick of the mental game of "Am I good member of society for the % I selected, and how much will my date judge me if I choose what used to be the norm -- 10%-15%... and am I the sucker if I choose a high amount while other pe…

You aren't, I genuinely try to tip well, knowing how stacked things are, and I'm lucky to be in a higher income bracket, but it sucks, and I wish we could end tipping via an outright ban (as to not cause weirdness in the marketplace). I'd rather the prices adjust accordingly, and everyone gets a fair wage.

Its so much more transparent. and I think thats really what it is, its a way to obfuscate pricing transparency to the broader market.

The folks who don't tip at all are the ones who win, I suppose, as its genuinely cheaper if you don't, but I suspect if you frequent a place alot, people will figure this out and it will actively work against you.

I have, in leaner times, not tipped at establishments I knew I wasn't going to frequent again or so little there was no way for them to really identify me, if the service was bad / subpar or just for pickup.

I always tip for sit down service though.

Re: Why Is Tipping Everywhere You Checkout?

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Post by newZWhoDis »

I have a crazy idea for this: legally mandate that any business that excepts tipping must allow negative tipping, up to the same max percentage the positive tip can be.

Places that are high-end/service oriented will then allow tips, because the vast majority of customers will. Maybe even your local fancy bar would ban you for leaving a -10% tip.

But subway? They’ll turn that off immediately because almost everyone will hit “-10%” given the chance.

This one trick would clean up the entire space overnight

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