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Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

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Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

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An unpopular opinion: there are too many other logos that look like the original logo. Some amalgamation of Latin words and a coat of arms. It's also pretty unattractive visually (weird thickness exterior curves, all caps words with hyphens). First impression of the new logo: boring. Second impression: nice play on an open book and capital O, very clean lines, will look good in print (perhaps with some light gradient…

> An unpopular opinion: there are too many other logos that look like the original logo

There are also too many logos that look like the new logo. The first blue circle logos that spring to mind are Blue Circle Cement/Tarmac/Lafarge [1] and Oxford Nanopore [2].

(The generic sans-serif font is also visually similar to many logos)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarmac_(company)

[2]: https://nanoporetech.com/

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

#172

An unpopular opinion: there are too many other logos that look like the original logo. Some amalgamation of Latin words and a coat of arms. It's also pretty unattractive visually (weird thickness exterior curves, all caps words with hyphens). First impression of the new logo: boring. Second impression: nice play on an open book and capital O, very clean lines, will look good in print (perhaps with some light gradient…

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Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

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post #27

I am trying to to think of a single rebrand / new logo / new icon that I actually liked at the time—that didn't seem to signal a degradation in the integrity, quality or trustworthiness of the entity represented. (There are some cases where the new brand has grown on me, to the point that I have come to prefer it to the old one. The most recent examples I can think of are the 1999 rebrand of Northern Electric as Nort…

I actually liked the Windows rebrand with Windows 8. It’s simpler, cleaner, still recognizable, works as mono or dual tone, and actually looks like the namesake of the product. Most previous versions were complicated messes. Windows 7 was I think the best version of the four color version.

The transition from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95 is the greatest leap in the Windows product line for me (including design).

I remember seeing the '95 start-up screen and its new UI for the first time - I was quite amazed by how much better it looked (I was at an impressionable age back then).

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

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I feel like we are going to look back at logos from this time period and wonder what was going on and why everyone ceased to enjoy nice things.

I understand why graphic design has taken this direction. Everything needs to be able to scale to the tiniest little profile icon on websites, but it doesn’t make it much better.

I also think a lot more graphic designers these days lack a more traditional art background and so you don’t see the same amount of artistic flourishes.

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

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Perceived loss of individuality is frequently just an outcome of a design epoch change. Most logos that we thought were unique and had lots of individuality came from an era when that particular graphic design style was en vogue. Then later the logos were updated to better follow new trends (a vary fair desire for a business). Yes, Art Nouveau logos were pretty but the vast majority of logos in that era were designed…

Hard, hard disagree. This good article has been discussed before on HN: https://velvetshark.com/articles/why-do-brands-change-their-... It's not just a "perceived" loss of individuality. The new logos discussed in that linked article, especially the fashion ones, suck in my opinion because they're boring and they all look the same. They at least used to have some good degree of variability.

Design is of course a fashion business like most things.

That said, a lot of traditional logos had a huge amount of fine detail that doesn't work well on mobile. While not the only factor, it's at least one motivator for a lot of the rebranding/logo redesigns that you're seeing.

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

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post #161

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Ask anyone outside of Britain what "The Met" is and you'll hear about the museum. I don't think one very small country should be the primary blocker to their branding decisions.

American here. My first thought is the opera. And I've traveled to NYC just to visit the museum.

Spent most of my life in NYC, and if you say "The Met" in to someone in the city 99/100 people will assume you mean the museum.

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

#177

Who cares? It says Oxford University Press which is the important part. The little image above it is just fluff and literally doesn't matter. I certainly wouldn't call it 'unfathomably bad' considering it's not a child's drawing or a some obscene gesture.

> Who cares? It says Oxford University Press which is the important part. The little image above it is just fluff and literally doesn't matter. I certainly wouldn't call it 'unfathomably bad' considering it's not a child's drawing or a some obscene gesture. It's modernist, minimalist crap, indistinguishable from all the other modernist, minimalist crap. Everyone might as well rebrand as solid-color circle distinguish…

> a literal coat of arms, which isn't something you see every day

Except that a coat of arms has got to be THE most common logo for anything university related. I don't like the new one at all, but if you'd showed me the old one and asked me what it was for I'd have had no idea. Not memorable or recognizable at all, even if it is their coat of arms.

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

#178
I don't know. I think you could make the argument that the only thing missing from the old logo was a pineapple.

I mean it's not the most egregious examples of pictographic stuffiness but it definitely has that pre graphic design kitchen sink vibe.

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

#179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perceived loss of individuality is frequently just an outcome of a design epoch change. Most logos that we thought were unique and had lots of individuality came from an era when that particular graphic design style was en vogue. Then later the logos were updated to better follow new trends (a vary fair desire for a business). Yes, Art Nouveau logos were pretty but the vast majority of logos in that era were designed…

Hard, hard disagree. This good article has been discussed before on HN: https://velvetshark.com/articles/why-do-brands-change-their-... It's not just a "perceived" loss of individuality. The new logos discussed in that linked article, especially the fashion ones, suck in my opinion because they're boring and they all look the same. They at least used to have some good degree of variability.

Hm, the first example - Revolut. The fact that the author thinks the original logo was recognizable or had any character is very questionable.

Revolut was founded in 2015, the time when a huge number of startups (including my own) had blue logos with a light gradient. This is such a cliche logo that it's almost laughable to even take seriously. Do you not remember 2015 and the wave of blue tech logos?

Re: Oxford University Press’s new logo is unfathomably bad

#180
post #46

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That honestly all sounds like mumbo jumbo.

Not worse then the TFA. IMO the other side of the arguing is easier: instead of the merits of the new logo, we can agree that the old logo is just not compatible with something that is modern or inclusive, and it had to go.

> we can agree that the old logo is just not compatible with something that is modern or inclusive, and it had to go.

No we can't agree on that. What you say is nonsense.

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