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iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by jxramos »

coder543 wrote: post #45
willis936 wrote: post #6

The 48 MP bayer mode is indeed impressive, but it does not increase the spatial frequency response. I recently used it to document some color transition errors on LG OLED displays and even with the 48 MP "RAW" mode there are artifacts from the limited spatial resolution. One of the images properly captures the display sub-pixel layout, but that is taken closer to the display. Enabling/disabling "RAW" did not change t…

If you take a photo of a subject that is closer than 7.8 inches, you're no longer using the main camera on the 14 Pro. It automatically switches to the ultrawide camera and crops in to show the same field of view. I suspect that is happening to you in some cases, but you're unaware, based on the fact that you didn't mention anything about this limit. The 48MP camera has the same color spatial resolution as a 12MP cam…

I've been playing block the sensor with that little IR lidar thing or whatever it is beside the lenses same size as the flash but is a dark spot. I was trying to photograph some VVT solenoid channels with illumination creeping out the ports and it got the camera into a cycle of switching lenses. I covered the sensor and the toggling ceased so I could focus the photo and get a good image.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by adrr »

FireBeyond wrote: post #166
adrr wrote: post #112

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They have global shutter sensors around the 12 megapixel level. They could split the sensor up into different processing paths. Do these 200 megapixel phone camera sensors have really bad rolling sensor issues? They are using electronic rolling shutters like your R5 when in silent mode or whatever canon calls it now.

What 200 mp phone camera sensors? The iPhone 14 is closer to a 12MP digital camera (quad bayer 48 million sensors). And from what I recall, 8 or maybe 10 bit. So in comparison to the 211MB of sensor data coming off the R5, there's 36 to 45MB of data coming off the phone camera. And I believe the 14's max shutter speed is 1/1000, so there's up to 35 times less data needing to be read off the sensor (45GB/s versus 1.6T…

https://semiconductor.samsung.com/image-sensor/mobile-image-...

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by coder543 »

jxramos wrote: post #171
coder543 wrote: post #45

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If you take a photo of a subject that is closer than 7.8 inches, you're no longer using the main camera on the 14 Pro. It automatically switches to the ultrawide camera and crops in to show the same field of view. I suspect that is happening to you in some cases, but you're unaware, based on the fact that you didn't mention anything about this limit. The 48MP camera has the same color spatial resolution as a 12MP cam…

I've been playing block the sensor with that little IR lidar thing or whatever it is beside the lenses same size as the flash but is a dark spot. I was trying to photograph some VVT solenoid channels with illumination creeping out the ports and it got the camera into a cycle of switching lenses. I covered the sensor and the toggling ceased so I could focus the photo and get a good image.

Much better to just go in and turn on Settings -> Camera -> Macro Control

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by JALTU »

sys32768 wrote: post #47

I am still not understanding why my iPhone 13 landscape photos look as good as those from my $900 Nikkor Z 24mm f/1.8 S prime lens with its superior optics on a $2k DSLR body. If the reason is fancy post-processing, then why can't Nikon have a tiny lens like the iPhone 13 and just add fancy post-processing to it?

Nikon and Canon and all the other camera companies, Japanese, German, or otherwise, are not software companies and have a pretty awful track record for even the basic software in their camera interfaces. Post processing is something they could not or would not get involved in.

Apple ate their lunches and then some. While I'm an old-school photographer who thinks a great SLR camera is the photographic equivalent of driving a Porsche, I don't miss carrying pounds of gear around. (OTOH I HATE the Ux of iPhones for photography.) I digress. The camera biz is a classic biz school study in humans being human.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by criddell »

emkoemko wrote: post #101
criddell wrote: post #87

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A phone can do on-camera stuff or capture RAW and let you mess with it on your computer. Are there any big sensor cameras that give you those same options? I’m not aware of any and it baffles me that the camera companies feel so little need to innovate. I kind of wish Apple would do a dedicated big-sensor camera. Also, are you saying you could reproduce any of the on-phone stuff easily on your computer? I’m thinking…

innovate what? what pro needs in camera processing? when you can process on a computer that is way more powerful and better UX for processing a large number of images?

The consumer market is a pretty big part of most DSLR sales. There really aren’t all that many professional photographers, relatively speaking.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by fumar »

solardev wrote: post #123

Coming from a Pixel 5 to the iPhone 14 Pro, I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed. The pictures are mediocre at best, and just plain bad in dim light especially. Google's computational photography is years ahead. The latest Pixel has better sensors too.

Do you have examples to share? I am interested as I shoot with film, mirrorless, and on iPhones.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by pyfork »

GoToRO wrote: post #165
astrange wrote: post #80

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It doesn’t do that unless you turn on vivid photographic styles. It’s tuned pretty much like a dedicated camera. This does annoy many people who then switch to Snow/BeautyCam to actually take their pictures since they want to look prettier.

By default, the pictures they take have nothing to do with reality. You can check it yourself by comparing the picture on the screen with the scene you pictured. Try it with some clouds f.e. This was my experience.

I dn, all the pictures of my friends and family and dog look pretty close to reality. I'm not sure I care if a cloud is slightly different, to be honest.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by throwaway287391 »

m463 wrote: post #158
lemonberry wrote: post #117

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While in training at my first restaurant job I asked a party where they would like to sit in the dining room. The owner pulled me aside and said to never give people a choice. They'll get confused and think that there's a "best" table and that their dinner could suffer if they feel like they didn't get it. I don't know if it's "real" or not but between work and my personal life I've got decision fatigue. Help make de…

Fascinating. It seems like some table choices are better for the customer, some are better for the server. As a customer I like to be away from the other tables and the server wants everyone together in a noisy clump.

I absolutely loathe those setups in some tiny restaurants where they line up 2 person tables in a row with 6-12" between tables so you can hear the stranger next to you talking more clearly than your partner across the table. Nothing else triggers my unbearable social anxiety like it. I've gotten seated at those when there's, like, an entire half of the restaurant empty.

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by tshaddox »

theturtletalks wrote: post #100
sp332 wrote: post #76

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I think Nikkor assumes that you would use software to do the post processing. It gives you something a lot closer to what's coming from the sensor, so you can choose which $XXX image editing suite you want to run it through. The iPhone knows the vast majority of people won't do that with their photos, so they can go all-out, but you're stuck with their specific result baked in to your photo.

Apple has always been about making the choice for it’s users. Jobs always thought giving users too many options was problematic.

That's a bit silly in this context. It's not like the person's intentions aren't fairly clear when they decided between buying an iPhone or buying a $3000 DSLR setup. Is it really so evil that Apple "decided" the person who bought the iPhone probably wanted the pictures to be heavily post processed instead of raw data from the sensor?

Re: iPhone 14 Pro camera review: A small step, a huge leap

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Post by user_7832 »

solardev wrote: post #123

Coming from a Pixel 5 to the iPhone 14 Pro, I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed. The pictures are mediocre at best, and just plain bad in dim light especially. Google's computational photography is years ahead. The latest Pixel has better sensors too.

As a Pixel 5 user I don’t really have any complaints about the cameras. If you pixel peep it definitely shows up, and I suppose the 48MP would be better, but gcam (Google camera) is probably one of the best pieces of software on android.

Having said that, I would love to see a large sensor camera with gcam esque chops. It’s not too hard to run into the limitations of the small sensor.

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