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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Still waiting for Display Port MST support over USB-C to enable monitor daisy chaining.

You are never going to get it for the current machines is my guess. Technically it should work with 2HD screens rather than 1 UHD screen, but I don't know.

It works just fine on any other OS for 2xHD screens, even Windows on MacBooks, so it's a software limitations.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

Will you need the latest version of Xcode? Could you continue to use an older version of Xcode to develop your app?

I think latest version of XCode is needed if latest iOS is being targeted.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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I'm French Canadian and because of this I have two keyboard languages. French Canadian and English (Canada). Before, when I'd press FN to change my keyboard language, I used to see "French Canada" and "English Canada". Now I just see "Canada" and "Canada - CSA". This is a weird change.

Windows 10 screwed this up aswell. Up until then I had Czech and English keyboards I could switch between with Alt+Shift. Then win 10 installation came, and suddenly I had (something similar to) Czech, "English-CZ" and English. Ofcourse Alt+Shift now changed between Czech and English-CZ, and there was supposed to be new shortcut to change between English and the rest.

Of course, I cant just delete the languages I dont want to, that would be too easy (and all google guides "helpfully" said: just delete the extra language, bro).

So after some refistry magic I was able to bend the system agaist its will to work as it always did, but of course it changed back several times since then on its own.

How does one manage to fuck up something as simple as "remember those two languages I use and switch between them when I press this" is beyond me. At this point im more inclined to believe in purposeful malice than such brutal incomptence

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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post #170

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Will you need the latest version of Xcode? Could you continue to use an older version of Xcode to develop your app?

I think latest version of XCode is needed if latest iOS is being targeted.

Probably, imagine my shock when I upgraded my iPhone, enjoying ios15 only to realise that my dev machine has become useless and that I can't downgrade IOS either. Being used to Windows I was completely caught off guard by just how terrible the ecosystem is if you don't keep buying new devices.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Great. What portion of apps would you say still run on iOS 12? Because most of the top 10... don't.

Sure they do; just not the most current versions. The App Store only sends versions you can actually run.

This isn't completely true. The App Store will only let you download previous versions of software you have already installed. If you try to download a new App and the latest version does not support your version of iOS, the App Store will NOT download the latest compatible version, it will just fail!

I have a side business, and a few weeks ago I decided to do a pop-up and needed a device to take payments on. I pulled out my older ipad, reset it, and decided to create a new apple account for my business. But, because this was a new apple account and the ipad was still running iOS 12, I was unable to download anything useful from the App Store. I had to find a new device, reset it, log in with my new account, download the latest version of the Apps I needed, reset it again, and relog in with my personal account. THEN, on my ipad, I was able to download the latest compatible versions of those apps.

I went through all that, only to open the Shopify App and immediately be told I had to update to the latest version, which of course, my ipad didn't support. So, yeah, I have this hardware that still works great, but for all practical purposes is e-waste.

I would love to be able to put Linux on this and use it for some hobby projects.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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post #158

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

No one is forcing you to upgrade. I still have a 2008 Mac running El Capitan and I can do everything I need to do on it.

Can you compile for IOS 15? I'm stuck on big sur and can't connect to my iPhone anymore

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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I hate System Preferences, have hated System Preferences for years and years. I cannot seem to get used to where things are, no matter how often I use it. The order doesn't make sense to me, the grouping doesn't make sense to me, and the icons aren't visually distinct enough for me. I might be the only one, but it's hard to imagine any overhaul of System Preference not resulting in an improvement. I'm sure it's just…

System Preferences is grouped by software-related settings on the top and hardware-related settings on the bottom. You may notice a slight color difference between the two sections. (I only learned this recently).

Yeah, there's definitely an attempt at organization, but... here's the thing. Most of MacOS works the way my brain expects it to. Like, Pages was a revelation when it was released, as I was able to instantly find everything I wanted to do right where I expected it to be. The initial release of Pages may have been the high point of Apple making software the way I think.

I get that everything in System Preferences is in a place that makes sense, and once I've found it, I can reason back from there to why it's there. But... is a screensaver software or hardware? I mean, it runs on the screen, which is hardware, but it's obviously software--but then, this is a computer, so everything is software. I mean, Date & Time is under hardware, which... is not where I would have looked first. Siri is triggered by a physical button, but is software, while Data & Time are visible on my screen but is hardware--presumably because of the clock inside the computer, right? What about the chip enabling Siri?

Anyway, other people didn't like the version of Pages I loved, and maybe other people don't have trouble with System Preferences. Different strokes, and all that. I just don't get the complaining as if something of value was lost.

System Settings might be even worse that System Preferences. Fine. One of Apple's worst things has gotten worse, and is now an area of focus, so now might, or presumably will get better. I prefer that to the neglect System Preferences was receiving.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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If something goes wrong with your machine and you've used OpenCore Legacy Patcher, then oh well, something has gone wrong. If something goes wrong with your machine and you've used the official update channel, then Apple has screwed over older machines on purpose and you can join a class-action lawsuit claiming that. The security footprint of machines running Ventura using OpenCore Legacy Patcher is going to be much…

What are you actually trying to say?

The question was:

> Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher?

I gave multiple reasons.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Evil is subjective. 1. Apple has been doing this for years and years. At this point, it shouldn't be a surprise. 2. It reduces legacy cruft. The alternative is you get to keep 20-30 year old legacy cruft, as with Windows. I'm not saying what Microsoft does is necessarily bad, just different. 3. The Intel laptops don't stop running[a] -- and if history is any indication, will still receive critical security patches. 4…

> It reduces legacy cruft. What you chose to describe as "legacy cruft" is actually the luxury laptop people spent over $2K close 6 or 7 years ago. > The alternative is you get to keep 20-30 year old legacy cruft, as with Windows. It's not a choice between bricking perfectly good computers after 6 years or maintaining them for 30 years.

Apple is bricking perfectly good computers? As far as I know, they keep running with the last supported version of macOS.

And heck, Windows 11 doesn't really support pre-Coffee Lake CPUs without hacks similar to OpenCore's.

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