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Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by pxc »

slim wrote: post #170
myself248 wrote: post #27

I'm a Linux idiot, just got sick of Windows, and took the plunge in 2016. (After some ill-fated tinkering in 1996 with Slackware, but we don't speak of that.) I started with Ubuntu and had a pretty good time for a year or two, until a dist-upgrade broke everything. Luckily /home/ was easy to restore from backup. So I was fine for another two years on Ubuntu until another dist-upgrade broke everything again. Sensing a…

you want Debian. dist-upgrade never broke on me in 25 years of usage

Once you know your way around APT and dpkg, you can work through any issue you might have during an upgrade on other Debian-based distros, too. The copy of busybox that Debian-based distros package and ship even includes dpkg, so you can repair even a broken libc.

Most end user issues with upgrade breakage on Debian downstreams like Ubuntu and Pop!_OS wouldn't be serious problems for experienced Debian users.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by pxc »

mattl wrote: post #25
seibelj wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only issue I’ve had is randomly the trackpad will stop working, then I reboot. I think I also made a few tweaks a while ago to some config for them. Otherwise, top notch machine.

That’s good to hear. In the past their laptops have been rebadged affairs and not great while their desktops were very solid.

They haven't released their first in-house laptop yet. Some of their new laptops are reportedly quite good, but they're still rebadged Clevos with custom UEFIs and other firmware mods.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by kk6mrp »

colordrops wrote: post #36
myself248 wrote: post #27

I'm a Linux idiot, just got sick of Windows, and took the plunge in 2016. (After some ill-fated tinkering in 1996 with Slackware, but we don't speak of that.) I started with Ubuntu and had a pretty good time for a year or two, until a dist-upgrade broke everything. Luckily /home/ was easy to restore from backup. So I was fine for another two years on Ubuntu until another dist-upgrade broke everything again. Sensing a…

If you look at my comment history, you'll see I'm a bit of a broken record, but my records don't break anymore after switching to NixOS. It was precisely the breakage after every upgrade that got me to try it. With declarative config-based reproduceable deployment that can be rolled-back, the broken OS doesn't need to be a thing anymore.

Broken updates is one of the big reasons I switched to Alpine Linux.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by smoldesu »

e-clinton wrote: post #169

Pop was rock solid for me until it wasn’t. Wouldn’t recognize memory and throttled one of my NICs after I installed an NVidia card and drivers. Reinstalling didn’t help. Installed Ubuntu Budgie and has been smooth sailing since. I love Linux but wish it wasn’t such a pain and required blowing up installs every so often. By contrast, not once have I had to blow up a Mac OS instance to stabilize it.

To be fair, if you tried running MacOS on the Nvidia hardware you'd have an even worse experience. Nvidia hardware and UNIX desktops go together like oil and water. Reserve your judgement until you try officially supported hardware, if you're willing to do the same for MacOS.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by ThinkBeat »

>System76 first decided to develop an OS as a way to better shape our customers’ >experiences and harmonize the software with our hardware

I dont like people saying that they have "developed an OS" when all they have done is to create derivative distribution of Ubuntu which itself rests on Debian.

How about:

""" We have created a great distribution of Linux and we have added some brand-new components to it and we think you will really like it.

We think it is the best distribution for our customers and a great distribution for new users

Since it is based upon the highly popular Ubuntu distribution a lot of experienced users will feel right at home as well. """

I hope their work on (a fork?) of GNOME becomes great.

The bit about implementing NTP seems odd to me.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by mattl »

pxc wrote: post #172
mattl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s good to hear. In the past their laptops have been rebadged affairs and not great while their desktops were very solid.

They haven't released their first in-house laptop yet. Some of their new laptops are reportedly quite good, but they're still rebadged Clevos with custom UEFIs and other firmware mods.

Well the quality seems to have ramped up considerably.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by pxc »

mattl wrote: post #176
pxc wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't released their first in-house laptop yet. Some of their new laptops are reportedly quite good, but they're still rebadged Clevos with custom UEFIs and other firmware mods.

Well the quality seems to have ramped up considerably.

I can believe that! But I am still excited about the eventual release of a Linux-first laptop equal in quality to their desktops. :D

On the note of high-quality hardware produced by other manufacturers, the HP Dev One which ships with Pop!_OS might be attractive to people who are looking for a supported system with very nice hardware: https://www.wired.com/review/hp-dev-one-linux-laptop/

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by mattl »

pxc wrote: post #177
mattl wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the quality seems to have ramped up considerably.

I can believe that! But I am still excited about the eventual release of a Linux-first laptop equal in quality to their desktops. :D On the note of high-quality hardware produced by other manufacturers, the HP Dev One which ships with Pop!_OS might be attractive to people who are looking for a supported system with very nice hardware: https://www.wired.com/review/hp-dev-one-linux-laptop/

So many things are just less than ideal: screen resolution for one and battery life is “ok”

Sub-par Linux laptops got me to switch back to a Mac full time a year ago. Battery life is insanely good and the screen resolution is much better (I need lots of pixels for the larger fonts I increasingly need)

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by kovac »

myself248 wrote: post #151
kovac wrote: post #75

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What kind of break is this? Is it like you can't even boot into the tty, can't get from tty to graphical environment or just your user applications stopped working?

Typically about half my applications stop working, they crash on launch. Or sometimes the machine won't even finish booting -- I'll get past the decryption password entry, it'll mount some things and then spew a thousand lines of "BPF: Invalid name" error messages and just stop there. I found if I hit Enter that I was sitting at a prompt, already logged in, but couldn't figure out what to do from there. However, I'm…

Thanks for sharing. Thats indeed broken. I see people complain about Linux breaking on updates (not just about pop but almost about every distro), I was wondering what it means for the OS to actually break.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by pxc »

mattl wrote: post #178
pxc wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can believe that! But I am still excited about the eventual release of a Linux-first laptop equal in quality to their desktops. :D On the note of high-quality hardware produced by other manufacturers, the HP Dev One which ships with Pop!_OS might be attractive to people who are looking for a supported system with very nice hardware: https://www.wired.com/review/hp-dev-one-linux-laptop/

So many things are just less than ideal: screen resolution for one and battery life is “ok” Sub-par Linux laptops got me to switch back to a Mac full time a year ago. Battery life is insanely good and the screen resolution is much better (I need lots of pixels for the larger fonts I increasingly need)

> the screen resolution is much better (I need lots of pixels for the larger fonts I increasingly need)

Xorg supports some scaling methods that macOS doesn't, which meansv you can scale fonts arbitrarily without a HiDPI screen. As someone with severe (but so far mostly correctable) vision problems (high myopia, mild astigmatism, small cataracts, some photophobia, moderate colorblindness) who has used recent MBPs, 1080p is still fine for me on Linux laptops. I don't find that vthe fancy Mac screens really add much in terms of readability, as nice as they are.

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