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Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Veganism is the (only logical) future.

The issue is that people en masse don’t actually care all that much about the cruelty of killing animals so long as it’s not reasonably torturous. The future, however dystopian you may see it, is sustainably growing the animals we want to eat for slaughter.

Which will likely involve not raising animals for slaughter at all, but rather things like Impossible/Beyond meats.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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> Conventional operations use large amounts of fishmeal and fish oil (and hence more wild fish) in their feed. All rainbow trout on the U.S. market is farmed-raised in the U.S., where farming operations are held to strict environmental standards. Improvements to feed have enabled less wild fish to be used. https://seafood.edf.org/trout So I guess they harvest wild fish to feed the farmed fish?

Fishmeal and oil are byproducts of processing the filets

They can’t feed the fish only parts of previous fish or they’d run out of material pretty fast - like a recycling center with no external inputs.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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How feasible is it to grow crabs in captivity? We need to start farming food, no way natural ecosystems can support themselves _and_ humans at current levels.

Interestingly, raising animals in captivity is much much more difficult than I imagined.

IIRC - Guns, Germs, and Steel had a pretty good point that we didn't so much domesticate animals and plants as there were plants and animals that were pre-disposed to domestication.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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Seems odd that this is a logical guess, but then that's labelled as "xenophobic speculation".

It's a logical guess that the only country that could have thousands of unregistered ships would be china, one of the worlds leading industrial powers with a large pacific coastline. It's xenophobic speculation that china does in fact have these ships and specifically are the cause of this population collapsing.

Japan's pacific coastline is twice as large as China's. Your logic here is extremely faulty.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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How feasible is it to grow crabs in captivity? We need to start farming food, no way natural ecosystems can support themselves _and_ humans at current levels.

It's possible.

Searching suggests it is done more in SE Asia than in the US (this might be a "what does the cuisine focus on?")

RAS Vertical Farming for Mud Crabs - https://youtu.be/XQJmZz4mdWY (there's a bit of an accent, I'd recommend subtitles)

I'll also suggest a watch of How America's Biggest Indoor Shrimp Farm Sells 2 Million Shrimp Every Year - https://youtu.be/1AK_RQ1uaGs (the American diet tends to have more shrimp than crab). And for crawfish (not indoor) https://youtu.be/_bggaA5AURA

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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I don't know much about snow crab but Dungeness and various oysters in the Pacific Northwest US are threatened by rising ocean acidity caused by increased CO2. Warmer water is also allowing green crabs to take hold. Farther south urchins have killed off a lot of kelp forest in a way that seems not to self-correct. Easy to imagine there are similar problems all over the ocean.

Sea urchins are a problem everywhere in the pacific, and that's because their main predator (sea otters) were nearly wiped out.

I think it's just the western coast of North America that has this problem, rather than the entire Pacific. For example in New Zealand, which is in the Pacific, there were never any sea otters. Urchins, regarded locally as a delicacy, are not particularly abundant.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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The issue is that people en masse don’t actually care all that much about the cruelty of killing animals so long as it’s not reasonably torturous. The future, however dystopian you may see it, is sustainably growing the animals we want to eat for slaughter.

Which will likely involve not raising animals for slaughter at all, but rather things like Impossible/Beyond meats.

These have flopped. Most people who like meat want real meat. Most people who don't like meat don't want fake meat. The remainder is the market for fake meats, and it has proven small.

Re: Alaska snow crab season canceled after disappearance of an estimated 1B crabs

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The Seattle Times joined followed a carb boat in April of 2022. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/into-t... The captain's take on the issue includes climate change, over crabbing areas known to be struggling and trawling. The article also includes an explanation as to how cod could be responsible due to climate change offering less ice protection for the crab.

> carb boat Heh heh. I imagine fishermen hauling in a net full of potatoes and pasta.

A bread bowl with a propeller
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