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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by enragedcacti »

CharlesW wrote: post #156
enragedcacti wrote: post #129

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> In the meantime, RCS is missing really basic capabilities. For example, RCS encryption only works for 1:1 conversations, so things like family chats are not private. As opposed to iMessage, but certainly not as opposed to SMS which is what RCS would actually be replacing on the iPhone. Apple would rather have EVERY conversation with an android user unencrypted rather than work towards a solution.

Apple is not standards-resistant, if that's what you're suggesting. Given their history of supporting standards (and occasionally leading a standard's adoption), that's clearly not the case. RCS is not a slam dunk. Juniper Research says RCS-capable subscribers represent less than 13% of global mobile subscribers in 2022. (They project that that will double to 40% by 2026, FWIW.) End-to-encryption is not part of the R…

fwiw I completely agree, RCS is completely dead outside of Google dragging it forward and thats a huge problem, I just don't think the largest company on the planet shrugging their shoulders and saying "maybe your grandma should buy an iPhone" is acceptable.

Their historical position has hurt their own customers, android users, and the standardization process itself. RCS (or a different standard) would be in a completely different place if Apple in their US market leadership position had made an effort.

They could open the iMessage spec, they could publish an iMessage app for Android, or they could just contribute in good faith to the standardization process. Their hostility to this particular standardization process (I don't contest that Apple is happy to support many standards efforts, such as USB) is driven by profit to the detriment of pretty much everyone else.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by samatman »

vachina wrote: post #137
greenbub1 wrote: post #98

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> This deep integration with colours and status symbols does remain in specific areas like middle school where it is still seen as important to try to project wealth. Are the kids wrong? When I look at my app’s stats, Android users are worse in every way. More expensive to develop for, pay less or none at all, and their halo effect is sometimes negative: they might word-of-mouth my app to more Android users instead o…

> pay less or none at all Maybe because there is always a free alternative that is better than yours. Whereas iOS users only has the App Store, and if they don’t pay they don’t get app.

Keep telling yourself a paycheck has no affect on app quality if it makes you feel better.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by culturestate »

joecot wrote: post #142
alistairSH wrote: post #135

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How do you message when you don't have wifi/data? I can SMS from more remote places than I can any internet-based service.

You don't. But in the US I'm rarely in a place where I have no data but SMS still works. And Europe has more effective telecom service.

> Europe has more effective telecom service

Some of Europe has very effective telecom infrastructure, but that's far from universal.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by samatman »

samatman wrote: post #174

Interesting that reducing contrast is the exact 'nudge' Hacker News uses to inform us that a comment is less credible.

Although this comment leads me to think that either this has changed in subsequent iOS releases, or the author has issues with telling the truth:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33178848

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

joecot wrote: post #131
4gotunameagain wrote: post #125

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It has nothing to do with "toxic femininity", it's classism. And no one's "banning" you from using this term, you're just getting downvoted for your performative "Cancel Culture" signalling.

yes it does. It is well known that women have a proclivity to climb the social ladder and marry upwards, therefore desiring wealth etc. Duckduckgo hypergamy.

I obviously used the term in a sarcastic manner, to show how stupid it is, together with its sister term

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by graeber_28927 »

malshe wrote: post #47
occamrazor wrote: post #6

On my iPhone the green bubbles are much more saturated and legible than in the posted article.

Same here. https://imgur.com/a/7k5dMtm

I checked those background colors with this contrast calculator [0] against white:

- Contrast of your iPhone: 2.21:1 (#35c759)

- Contrast that's "poor": 2.17:1 (#65c466)

- Contrast that's "good": 2.93:1 (#3bac3c)

- Contrast of the blue: 3.95:1 (#367bf5)

Based on this I would say that the Contrast of your green and the "gross" one from the article are actually pretty close, both being very far from the contrast that blue provides.

Not even the good green from the article does match the contrast of the blue. They are being lenient I'd say, not misleading.

[0]: https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by NickC25 »

sicp-enjoyer wrote: post #162
nakedrobot2 wrote: post #157

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Both are good reasons to avoid such toxic people. VC's especially.

I think courting VCs already involves sacrificing your pride and doing a song and dance. Why not do a small easy thing to help close the sale?

Because a VC that is more concerned with the type of phone you use than your product/service/company is probably a VC you should stay away from.

Imagine explaining to investors in your VC - "You know that XYZ company that just IPO'd for several billion dollars? Yeah I passed on their series A because the founder didn't have an iPhone despite the business itself being really solid". If I was an investor in that VC I'd sue the partners into the ground over such trivial bullshit.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by simonh »

nrvn wrote: post #169

I have just compared the “gross” bubble from the article with my “real” bubble. Made a screenshot of both and used the ios color picker. “Gross”: #7EC170 Real from the bottom of the message reel: #65C466 Real from the top: #73E173 No issues with contrast in either case. Also keep in mind that those color hexes will slightly vary depending on where exactly you decide to pick since bubbles are filled with gradients. No…

I'm not so sure, I just looked at some chats in iMessage, both to other iPhones and Android phones, and there's no doubt to me that the blue bubbles give much better contrast and readability, even comparing only messages at the bottom of the screen.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by enragedcacti »

scarface74 wrote: post #160
enragedcacti wrote: post #145

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The contrast between your perception of the EU and their actual positions is pretty entertaining to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/04/eu-digital-markets-act...

So you mean my perception that the EU is run by a bunch of bureaucrats who don’t understand technology, stymie innovation and don’t think about unintended consequences? Do you think there may be a reason that hardly any successful technology companies come out of the Eu?

maybe 'perception' was the wrong word, moreso attacking them on imagined grounds of legislating trivialities of message color instead of commenting on the actual (highly publicized) sweeping changes they are already making to attempt to address the problem.
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