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Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by colinmhayes »

colordrops wrote: post #51
TekMol wrote: post #12

I recently posted on a subreddit that has the name of a big company. The post became popular. I could not believe my eyes, when some hours later, the post was edited. I have never seen that before. Mods cannot edit users posts, right? Do some companies have superpowers on their sub, or did they reach out to Reddit to change the post?

The admins have done it and even admitted to it. Reddit is a for-profit corporation and has no obligation to maintain integrity unfortunately. They are beholden to shareholders and will do what their large customers ask.

Admins admitted to it once and it created enough controversy that they just fully delete stuff now.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by dang »

nonbirithm wrote: post #129
gfd wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was there a dedicated HN submission for this topic? This is extremely fascinating to me. In what Andrej Karpathy calls "software 2.0"[1], leaking your model is equivalent to leaking the main IP of your company. Unlike source code where it loses value quickly out of context (e.g. twitch leaked their code yet that didn't spawn a bunch of twitch clones), models can be fine-tuned and transfer-learning-ed for many other p…

I did actually submit a link to a GitHub issue about this, but it seems to have been blocked by HN. I can see the post title when I'm logged in but as a guest it doesn't show anything at all. The post wasn't even flagged as dead. It doesn't show up in my submitted links list when logged out either. I don't know if it tripped an internal filter on HN or something. Here is the link to the post in case you're curious. h…

We banned github.com/automatic1111 a while back because it was being promoted by some sort of spam ring.

We can let that particular link go through if it's the best one on the topic but perhaps there is something else out there?

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by squeaky-clean »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #162
vlunkr wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting downvoted is not at all the same as having comments deleted, or getting banned, which is incredibly common on some subreddits. Also not giving new users access to downvotes hopefully means that those downvoting are somewhat good citizens.

The downvote (for me) is too ambiguous. Without a couple words specifically about why, it often (to me) comes off as, "I didn't like what you said, I'm too lazy to reply, so I'll down vote you." It's hard to take DV'ing seriously when there's zero context. How many times have we read a sub-comment similar to, "I'm not sure why you're being downvoted..." Nuff said. Frankly, I can't be bothered to downvote. I've seen p…

I miss the days when people would almost always leave a comment when downvoting. That was back before you could "undown" a fat-finger downvote.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by tylersmith »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #39
wsb_mod wrote: post #25

Unbelievable behavior from SD. The subreddit is currently an unmoderated mess, illustrating they have no clue how to run the community. I am unsurprised at Discord's behavior, handing over a server like that. They have essentially been hostile when not silent to us at WSB with our 600K user server. Reddit has an opportunity to do better here. Hand back control of r/StableDiffusion back to OP. Steve Huffman alluded to…

OP handed over the subreddit willingly and did not say they wanted it back... There really isn't a big deal other than supposed possible censorship and conflict of interest, but AFAIK there's been no hate threads censored anyway. The only thing "censored" was auto's webUI being removed from the stickied guide and the illegal novelAI leak torrent being removed.

OP handed it over based on a deal that Stability did not hold up their end of.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by uncletammy »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #81
c7DJTLrn wrote: post #14

When you realise Reddit is moderated by unpaid megalomaniacs and teenagers, everything starts to fall into place. In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances.

> In some ways Reddit is worse than Facebook because it is influenced by anonymous entities with zero checks and balances. The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators. It's not obvious when you browse posts because everything is organically coming from random people. However, moderators can entirely shape the conversation by only allowing posts that say what they want. In other words: The…

> The discourse in many subreddits is invisibly dictated by the moderators.

In the case of r/bitcoin, the largely invisible reddit censorship allowed for the effective capture of the coin's community and development. It was used to silence and remove those who believed BTC's primary use case should be cash. It was incredibly effective too.

For further reading:

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-histor...

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/r-bitcoin-censorship-revisite...

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by rockemsockem »

schoen wrote: post #53
shadowgovt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's going to have a titanic political-shift effect once those young folks come to voting age and start shaping policy around intellectual property ownership.

In the early-2000s "copyfight", many people theorized that the apparent support of young people for the "low-protectionist" side, or their enthusiasm for P2P file-sharing, or remixing, or fan fiction, was presaging a radical shift in copyright law once those young people grew up. A lot of them have grown up now and that shift doesn't seem to have happened on the legal side. Maybe there are some shifts in norms (e.g.…

In the U.S. millenials just overtook baby boomers to be the majority of the voting population 2 years ago, so we're still pretty early on those people (myself included) being able to dramatically influence politics. It'll take even longer for them to become elected officials themselves.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by sophrocyne »

dang wrote: post #172
nonbirithm wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did actually submit a link to a GitHub issue about this, but it seems to have been blocked by HN. I can see the post title when I'm logged in but as a guest it doesn't show anything at all. The post wasn't even flagged as dead. It doesn't show up in my submitted links list when logged out either. I don't know if it tripped an internal filter on HN or something. Here is the link to the post in case you're curious. h…

We banned github.com/automatic1111 a while back because it was being promoted by some sort of spam ring. We can let that particular link go through if it's the best one on the topic but perhaps there is something else out there?

From my observation of the devolution on the SD Discord and reddit, that "spam ring" might just have been his user base.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by pdntspa »

gfd wrote: post #89
ryzvonusef wrote: post #5

https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/xzdkio/stab... apparently, there is a separate drama about hacking at SD and accusations of ownership of code.

Was there a dedicated HN submission for this topic? This is extremely fascinating to me. In what Andrej Karpathy calls "software 2.0"[1], leaking your model is equivalent to leaking the main IP of your company. Unlike source code where it loses value quickly out of context (e.g. twitch leaked their code yet that didn't spawn a bunch of twitch clones), models can be fine-tuned and transfer-learning-ed for many other p…

If you're going to make those claims you need to be providing evidence, like side-by-side comparisons. What you have posted there reeks of a hit-and-run.

Kind of with automatic on this one, good imperative code can only take so many forms.

Plus there is the argument that no IP deserves protection, and that no IP owner should have any rights, ever, given that information is infinitely copyable and yearns to be free.

Re: /r/StableDiffusion – Mod here – My side of the story

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Post by registeredcorn »

codeflo wrote: post #44

So, to summarize: Both Reddit and Discord force transfered seemingly officially named communities to the trademark owning entity. That sucks, but it’s also something that social media companies have been doing 10 times a week since forever. Is there something special about this instance that makes it news?

>Is there something special about this instance that makes it news?

I suppose one could go the, "SD had a minor doing the work, which they then capitalized on" route, but I find it a little uncompelling.

If SD had asked the minor to moderate the subreddit, then took it away from him afterward, that would be an issue. Doubly so if they were aware of his age. From the description that was given, none of that applied.

As it is, I see it as fixing up a parking spot for the CEO; cleaning the ground, repainting the lines, putting up a nice shiny plaque, all unasked. Then getting upset when the CEO parks in the spot and leaves garbage strewn about. It's not nice, or even fair, but it is not particularly surprising either. Hard work is rarely appreciated, even when it is actively being paid for. "Took you long enough" is a phrase I have heard thrown about on projects before. When work is unfunded? You will be lucky to get so much as a mention, let alone a head nod or thumbs up.

I just hope that he can learn from this experience and remind himself how much he is making the next time he takes up a project of this kind. There is nothing wrong with working for free, but it is crucially important to remember that the merit of working for free does not somehow entitle us to anything. It's not something that brings me any joy to say, but it is true.

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