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Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by croes »

phpisthebest wrote: post #155
trevvr wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not a hot take my friend? Do you pay your taxes? Sales taxes? Does the company you work for pay their taxes? Do you intend on retiring with a pension at some point? Rising tides and boats comes to mind.

Well now we are going to get into more unpopular hot takes, because IMO income based taxation is theft.... I do not plain on retiring, and if I did I do not expect government social security (I am in the US) will be there to fund it so I do have a private retirement account that currently the US Monetary policy and government regulations/spending is doing its level best to destroy

Taxes are the membership fee of society

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by Brian_K_White »

ifqwz wrote: post #14
jacknews wrote: post #2

"insubordination" wtf, was this a job or a prison camp?

Seems an appropriate word... "Insubordination is the act of willfully disobeying a lawful order of one's superior." Your boss is your superior, so disobeying what he asks of you is insubordination.

If you pick it apart, it really means failure to put yourself below.

Outside of acknowledged overt heirarchy like the military where the strict heirarchy has a defensible purpose (there is always some sort of heirarchy, but only in something like a military is a pathological form of it justified) you are theoretically always equal to anyone else, and your order-taking is merely a very limited commercial transaction. You are not actually subordinate to your boss or anyone else.

There is just this very narrow scope where you have voluntarily agreed to accept some specific kinds of directions in a specific context in return for pay.

Swap subordinate for subservient and I would not consider "insubservience" or "failure to be a servant" a very damning charge and I would look more at anyone who thought it was.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by watwut »

xiphias2 wrote: post #107
sebazzz wrote: post #36

I love it when US companies meet Dutch labor laws.

While quality of life in Europe is still great, EU GDP share of the world going down is starting to effect European people more (especially now with the proxy war between US and Russia). I wish Europeans were a bit more business savy and corporate, and not see businesses as just bad things that are part of life, but of course when I’m in US I see the other extreme where businesses want to extract all value from me al…

Oh please. EU countries have more stakes in that conflict considering some of them would be next to be attacked if Russia won in Ukraine.

The Russia is an actual threat for EU countries. Which is why the biggest hawks in that conflict are EU countries.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by O__________O »

From Glassdoor for related employer:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Chetu-Reviews-E231082.htm

>> Review: “You'll discover during training week that the the company will watch over you all day, even long tenured employees are watched via their WebCam.”

>> “Glassdoor Alert: Attempt to Inflate Reviews — We have evidence that someone has taken steps to artificially inflate the rating for this employer with positive reviews posted in violation of our Community Guidelines. We have removed these reviews. Please exercise your best judgment when evaluating this employer. Learn more about Glassdoor Alerts:

https://help.glassdoor.com/s/article/Glassdoor-Alerts-Badge-...

_________________

From related company’s homepage:

>> “We are proud to employ over 2,800 in-house developers with a variety of software development experience in an array of industries.”

https://www.chetu.com/

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by pasquinelli »

phpisthebest wrote: post #155
trevvr wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not a hot take my friend? Do you pay your taxes? Sales taxes? Does the company you work for pay their taxes? Do you intend on retiring with a pension at some point? Rising tides and boats comes to mind.

Well now we are going to get into more unpopular hot takes, because IMO income based taxation is theft.... I do not plain on retiring, and if I did I do not expect government social security (I am in the US) will be there to fund it so I do have a private retirement account that currently the US Monetary policy and government regulations/spending is doing its level best to destroy

you'll get older and things will happen to you. at some point, before you die unless you die in a catastrophic situation, you won't be capable of working anymore. it's just facts of life.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by watwut »

whoooooo123 wrote: post #120
myko wrote: post #112

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> especially now with the proxy war between US and Russia This is not a proxy war between the US and Russia. Ukraine nor Russia started this conflict at the behest or instigation of the US. The US (and NATO, the entire western world really) are supportive of Ukraine but it's important to note that Ukraine is not a puppet of the US and that Putin started this conflict.

The war is "between" Russia and Ukraine but the US is funding and arming Ukraine because the US wants to hurt Russia. How is that not the dictionary definition of a "proxy war"? Swap the US and Russia and replace "Ukraine" with "North Vietnam" and you have a historical conflict which everyone agrees was a proxy war. How is this different?

EU countries are funding and arming Ukraine too. Baltic states and Poland are the ones pushing the most for support for Ukraine.

And obviously, all actual fighting and dying is done by Ukrainians. They are the ones being tortured and oppressed on occupied territories too. If Russia won, all Ukrainians would be oppressed by Russia.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

marvin wrote: post #165
em-bee wrote: post #142

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which is exactly the point. birthrate is already bad enough as it is. for the moment this is compensated with immigration, but eventually support for parenting may have to increase even further if we want to keep the birthrate up.

Wouldn't it also work to just make everything cheaper for everyone? Housing has increased so much in cost that I wouldn't be surprised that just having housing back to 1980s price levels would give most families enough breathing room with just unpaid leave.

Of course that would work, but that requires the economy to not adapt itself to the new prices, which requires politicians to step in and prevent the richer people from buying up things which makes would-be families feel too uneasy about starting a family.

It'd be far more desirable to return to situations where most of the budget is spent on luxury and only a little is spent on any kind of milestone, but that's a campaign most politicians aren't winning votes with.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Post by ghaff »

biztos wrote: post #161
phpisthebest wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on the company but they are commonly used to ensure managers are not just firing someone that they are "pissed off" at, people are cynical about them but they are designed to ensure managers have to document the poor performance, and have notified the employee they are under performing... I have seen companies that lack this process and witnessed employees getting very positive feedback from managers even in…

Interesting factoid from Europe: at least in Germany, you are effectively unhirable if you are in a PiP. You actually have to warrant that you are not, before any company of any size will consider hiring you, and of course lying about that would be a firing offense. I get the logic, but as an American I was surprised… I was never PiPed but I too would have assumed it was better than the alternative. Not always!

That would seem weird in the US given that, if you're on a PIP and aren't looking for a new job you probably should be as a PIP rarely ends up well. Essentially, you'd be in a situation where you knew you were going to be fired sooner or later but couldn't look for a new job.
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