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Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by tobyhinloopen »

knaik94 wrote: post #137
matheusmoreira wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nintendo and Denuvo announced anti-emulation measures for switch games in August 2022. Are there details on those measures?

I haven't ready any public writeups from emulator developers, no games have been released with it but Zelda BOtW2 is expected to have it. Some guesses are that it will be based on measuring specific call execution times. The switch is already weak in terms of hardware so I am not sure how many games will end up integrating it. Regardless of what Denuvo says in marketing, it will slow down games. Nintendo has since tr…

Great; so regular switch games will perform even worse and the emulator community just creates a patch to remove denuvo

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by mmis1000 »

ThinBold wrote: post #131
lousken wrote: post #7

And what's the problem exactly? It's just emulation - if anything should cause a stir, it should be nintendo for their anti-consumer behaviour

VALVe themselves have game IPs they want to protect. Within the boundary of "it's legal, wygd" there are always ways to make pirating VALVe games easier and VALVe will stand no ground to ban those.

I don't think valve ever tried to do that seriously. Even games checked purchasing status via steam api at startup are usually one dll away from allow it to run completely locally. They don't say them allow it, but don't seem to seriously fight against them either.

I think what they sells are more about services that support the game. For example: you can find l4d2 crack easily. But you are never able to join to the official community server list without a proper purchase.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by cowtools »

zamalek wrote: post #153
saagarjha wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it ruins their relationship with Nintendo.

Nintendo doesn't have a relationship with anyone (content creators included), apart from their lawyers. Despite the video being retracted the desired effect has been achieved. The flurry of news has more lay people thinking about the Steam Deck in the same class as the Switch, even if their intent is not to emulate.

Well, valve released portal on the new nintendo, so they have some buisness connections

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #87
RajT88 wrote: post #51

Oddly enough, the light that Humble Bundles have shone into gaming revenue cycles has made me question our copyright system as a whole. Stay with me. In Europe during the time of Mozart, composers were incentivized to be prolific by only getting royalties off the first public performance of their works. Now that is not fair today because of course we can losslessy reproduce such things infinitely. However, Humble Bun…

I'd prefer a system, where the author has to actually and actively be trying to make money in a specific market, before the copyright can be applied in that specific case (as with trademark law, where the owner has to actively protect the trademark). Some nintendo games are currently not available anywhere (from nintendo or from original publisher), but if you copy/download that rom, you can get fined due to fictiona…

This seems like a solution, but who judges what "availability" is? If Nintendo say they'll reproduce any NES cart you want anywhere in the world for the low low cost of a hundred thousand dollars per unit, and all requests must be made in writing, please allow 6-8 weeks for delivery, is that "available"?

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

extragood wrote: post #98
Madmallard wrote: post #21

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Emulation has been deemed legal? Since when? You're not paying for the system or the games and playing them freely?

Emulation of a device is totally legal. For instance, I run qemu all the time to emulate various android devices. I suspect that you're thinking specifically of game emulation though. Running software on an emulated device is fine legally as long as it doesn't violate copyright law. For instance, you can legally backup software that you own in the US [1] - that extends to games as well - and because emulators themsel…

>it is not legal to distribute backups in the US, even if both parties have legitimately acquired copies of the source material.//

Do you (or anyone) know if caselaw on this point and which USC this position relies on, thanks.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by eptcyka »

onion2k wrote: post #163
hyperhopper wrote: post #6

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Ah yes, everybody should just bow down to bullies that abuse the legal system.

No one is abusing the legal system. They're using the legal system. The way to fix it is not to try to stop people using the system 'wrong', but to update the system so it's appropriate for modern tech.

Sure, Nintendo is definitely in the right issuing Nintendo ninjas to people they don't like.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by summerlight »

stoplying1 wrote: post #4
IceWreck wrote: post #3

While Valve shouldn't have done this, Yuzu (and emulation) is completely legal. Nintendo cant do anything unless they want to go hard against emulation itself which brings us to the same are APIs copyrightable debate.

Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

>99% of emulator usages are coming from piracy and Steam probably shouldn't want to promote such use cases on their platform in a longer run.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by [deleted] »

summerlight wrote: post #177
stoplying1 wrote: post #4

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Wait, why should Valve not have done this? I know Nintendo likes to bully smaller folks but it's not like Valve is small or that they rely on keeping good terms with Nintendo, right? Edit: I guess I didn't realize Portal was on Switch.

>99% of emulator usages are coming from piracy and Steam probably shouldn't want to promote such use cases on their platform in a longer run.

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Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by torginus »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #129
knaik94 wrote: post #61

While this is legal, Nintendo is very vocally anti-emulation. Nintendo and Denuvo announced anti-emulation measures for switch games in August 2022. There's a big difference between support and marketing support. Nintendo doesn't care what other companies do internally, but cares a lot about what is shown publicly. I remember when Nintendo took down a bunch of youtube videos showing how to jailbreak the original swit…

> Nintendo and Denuvo announced anti-emulation measures for switch games in August 2022. Are there details on those measures?

https://kotaku.com/nintendo-switch-botw-emulator-pc-piracy-d...

According to this article, this is an initiative championed by Denuvo alone, without Nintendo's involvement.

Re: Valve's latest Steam Deck trailer briefly plugs a Nintendo Switch emulator

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #152
jrm4 wrote: post #110

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"Mistaken" is a weird word here, probably because we do this thing where we think of law as being etched in stone. It's not. It's 100% fluid all the time, but it's hard to see because it's slow. Disney and Sonny Bono hired some lawyers to ramrod some dumb crap through. It happens. Let's see if we can fix it.

We did see. It was the famed Eldred v. Ashcroft case. Lead counsel before the Supreme Court was Lawrence Lessig, darling of the Open Source movement. In a 7-2 ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that, so long as the time limit for copyright was in some way limited, the length of time, even if lengthened after the fact, was permissible. Justice Stephens wrote an excellent dissent, but being only one of two, was official W…

Ironically, that case might, at the same time, be the one who brings down the DMCA's anti-circumvention provisions.

The standard set by SCOTUS was, apart from what you've already said, that a time extension was permissible as long as the "traditional contours of copyright" were not altered. One of them was explicitly called out, fair use.

The Court also explicitly mentioned that for a regulation to survive constitutional scrutiny in regards to copyright, it must not supersede, nullify, or even "disturb" the exercise of fair use.

This set the precedent that fair use is constitutionally required, not only a generous grant by Congress.

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