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That's not what the article says. The article is about adopting orphaned children from the breakaway republics.
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#172This has been a big topic in Spain in the last 10 years. It's great to see that most of the cases are being opened to the public now. Note: I'm from Spain While it's true that this happened under the fascist rule of Franco, I'm not sure that the fascists had nothing to do with it, so I think the article title is a bit misleading. In my view, this issue was mainly caused by two things: 1. Imbalance of power, where pow…
I don't think either of these things have anything to do with it. The reason this happens is because it's easier to execute parents than to execute children and infants. Especially when you want a child of your own and have been having trouble conceiving.
It wouldn't have happened as often if the people being executed were usually racially distinct from the executioners, such as in South America, because of the difficulty of integrating that child into the family, and the relative ease of killing children of a different race.
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#173What an incredible thing to do - to steal someone's child and raise it and love it as your own. Why didn't they adopt orphans? Were there none?
These children were often made orphans before being adopted.
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That's not what the article says. The article is about adopting orphaned children from the breakaway republics.
And referring to Ukrainian territory that was stolen by Russia as "breakaway republics" is disingenuous to be polite.
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#176This is not just history, there are numerous reports of mass children abductions happening in Ukraine since the Russian invasion. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/ukraine-k...
The article gives no evidence for any of its claims of kidnapping. Also, instead of attempting to propose a coherent reason why Russia would be kidnapping children and other civilians from areas that largely support Russia in the conflict , they just talk about other historical incidents of child adoption after massacres during domestic extermination by fascist regimes who we supported and allied with.
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#177Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
Radical ideology craves credibility. I would suppose that for that reason, the regimes interested in treating a subset of people as inferior would look for experts who could testify to that fact. These end up being doctors and psychiatrists, since they are considered authorities on the human body and mind respectively. As for doctors themselves, I would think they are exactly like any other group of people: when a ra…
I think what twigged me is the expectation that doctors are supposed to be better than that. Doctors are explicity not like any other group of people. The whole point in giving them the immense powers we do comes with the expectation that when it falls to them to be brave or noble, they are willing to take that responsibility. Otherwise, there is no reason not to have barbers do most surgeries, apothacaries prescribe drugs, and nurses make treatment decisions, especially given the technological advances of even the last 30 years.
These are people who explicitly must not be seized by mass political hysterias, and it's not a right/left thing, as they seem like a necessary constituency in every totalitarian movement. Other professions, like judges and guards you can just appoint from the ranks of true believers, most professors can be relied upon to be complicit, and their institutions can tell whatever legitimizing story you bully them into. Doctors (and perhaps armed police) are the only ones with leverage, which means it is their personal responsibility to guard against this stuff, imo.
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#178Medicine and psychiatry often seem to be at the center of these regimes. Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together? Maybe it's the pretext the regimes to suspend rules and rationality. German doctors began a "euthenasia" program several years before the war broke out, and no governing body of theirs seems to have historically been above using prisoners for medical experiments. Even r…
>Is there sometihng about doctors and ideology that goes so closely together?
Have you met many doctors? Some are amazing, hard-working people really doing their best to help humanity, but a non-trivial number are just arrogant jerks who only went into the profession for money and social status. It's natural that a profession seen as particularly "high status" will attract a lot of soulless status seekers.
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So I'm not trying to pick a fight (I may very well be agreeing with your views as far as I know), but I'm genuinely still lost at what you mean. I don't think I see what's wrong with that direction, unless I'm reversing it along a different axis than what you have in mind. I were to attempt to reverse that statement it would say "this can happen in a democratic country, a country doesn't need to have fascists and eug…
> USA isn't actually a democracy and or that it is a fascist country If it did and does facist things in opposition to what the majority of its residents want then yeah. Walks like a duck and all that.
Thank you for clarifying, I can see that argument (although truth be told I think no country on earth truly qualifies as a real democracy in the way that their governments function).
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Russians are really intent on setting the clock back. Fighting in the Donbass, trenches, poorly equipped human waves, genocide through attacks on civilians and kidnapping of children. It's like Putin and co are stuck in WW2 (at best).
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As a fellow non Russian slav, with brothers like that, who needs enemies?